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Kthomas Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:16 am Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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I did change the bearing and I’m wondering if that’s the issue. It looked like the old one which I have since thrown away. 😩
Does the plastic sleeve slide down through the bearing when correct because this one doesn’t ? |
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Kthomas Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:35 am Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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This is the one I got.
It is the 62
I guess I thought since I had a later steering wheel the shaft was probably a later shaft but maybe not ?
I’m not sure how to proceed now. I wish I had just left the old bearing in there although it sounded rough.
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EVfun Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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The spring in the Wolfsburg West screen shot you show should be around the plastic sleeve on the steering shaft. You show the metal spring seat at the bottom of the plastic insulating sleeve as expected. The spring goes around the plastic sleeve. Then there should be a contact ring, then a plastic insulation washer, then the circlip in the groove between the sleeve and the spines. This allows the horn button pins in the '60-'61 steering wheel to contact the contact ring when the horn button is pushed.
I have this hunch that because of this awkward insulation system on the early shaft the correct steering column bearing had a larger inside diameter. It was the 1980's when I modified the system to work like the later system to use a Grant steering wheel. The bearing wasn't nearly so old and I didn't touch it. I just ditched the "Plastic washer," the jumper wire between two rag joint bolts, and ran a new wire down the hollow steering shaft and connected it to a steering side rag joint bolt.
I believe the easiest plan going forward would be to source a '62-'67 steering shaft and just convert the whole system to the later type bearing and horn. Your existing column with its new bearing should be fine. Your turn signal switch will be fine (getting a '60-'61 turn signal switch used to be a common part of switching later Bugs to "snowflake" taillights.) I know of no source for the '60-'61 upper steering column bearing and it seems to be a different part than the later one. I know it is different than the early one.
You also already have a later type steering wheel. The ratty old steering wheel you have is a '60 steering wheel. I see the plastic insulation on the bottom and a busted horn ring where the half ring goes through notches in the steering wheel spokes. The new steering wheel has a later type half ring horn button. I can tell because the steering wheel does not have the notches for the half ring to pass through and because I see the extra terminal on the horn ring that is for the ground wire that then goes down the column to the rag joint. _________________
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Kthomas Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2021 Posts: 256 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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Thank You for your reply.
This forum is great !
I’m now on the hunt for a 62-67 steering shaft.
Life is an adventure 😀 |
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Kthomas Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2021 Posts: 256 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:03 am Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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62-67 steering shaft
I just found one 😀
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Rome Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:20 am Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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Excellent and useful details, EVfun! |
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Kthomas Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2021 Posts: 256 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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Finally got the new steering wheel assembly mounted .
Now I need to wire everything up.
I was looking for wiring instructions to wire later turn signal assembly up to 60 but it seems like the later assemblies have 3 wires . Mine has 6.
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Kthomas Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2021 Posts: 256 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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I need to upgrade my wiper assembly from 6 to 12 volt. I know which one came out of the car so I know it’s 6 volt ( although there is nothing saying that on assembly )
. The question —- How can I tell if the other is 12 volt or six ? There is no writing on it either except for the symbol on top.
Ultimately, will it work or is it just a later version of the 6 volt ?
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mukluk Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2012 Posts: 7028 Location: Clyde, TX
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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The wiper motor may have a 6V or 12V stamped into the base near the output shaft as shown below. If no such marking exists, they'll typically have their part number stamped or printed on the side of the base which you can then use to identify it positively. Just looking at the picture, I'd say most likely your Bosch wiper is a 6V unit (113 955 111 H or P).
Concerning your 3 wire turn signal switch in a '60 quandary, if you don't mind deviating from completely stock you can install a small relay box set up as shown below. This will allow you to use your 3 wire switch and have full functionality of your snowflakes instead of tracking down a good 6 wire switch.
_________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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Kthomas Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2021 Posts: 256 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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This chart makes no sense to me.
My original switch has six wires and the new switch has six wire of different colors and this chart was written by a left brained engineer. 🙄
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mukluk Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2012 Posts: 7028 Location: Clyde, TX
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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If my logic jibes with whomever came up with those directions, the wires will be as follows:
Yellow -- connect to flasher output
White/Red -- connect to left rear brake/turn
Yellow/Red -- connect to right rear brake/turn
White/Green -- connect to right front turn signal
Black -- connect to left front turn signal
Red -- connect to brake light switch output _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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Kthomas Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2021 Posts: 256 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:55 am Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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Thank You
Looking at it was giving me a headache ! 😀 |
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5481 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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Kthomas wrote: |
Thank You
Looking at it was giving me a headache ! 😀 |
If the color combo suggested by Mukluk doesn't work you can do a test. In each of the 3 switch positions there should be 3 wires connected together. There will often also be another 2 wires connected -- ignore those for now.
If you can tell us what 3 wires are connected in off, in left, and in right I can figure out what each terminal is pretty easy. _________________
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Kthomas Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2021 Posts: 256 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 5:52 am Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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Ok
I’m finally getting back to my bug after a long period of burnout.
The reluctance to move forward started when I put the body back on the chassis and the engine wouldn’t start. It started fine without going through the wiring harness and main switch. I thought it was the starter so I’m on my third . The original harness had a melted mire but after testing all parties involved it wasn’t grounding out on the other wires. ( I don’t think )
The question : if I replace the wiring harness should I just get one for a later bug ( 70 or so ) since it now has a 1600 engine with regulator mounted on generator and 12 volts are to be used ? |
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EVfun Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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You should generally use a wiring harness for the year of your Bug. The wiring was routed differently on different years, some along the floor, some back on the left side in the roof, some on the right side on the roof. The fuse boxes where in different places in different years and even the number of fuses changed a few times. _________________
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Kthomas Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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I just ordered a new wiring harness.
A friend is doing the body work on the shell and hopefully will paint that this week . |
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Kthomas Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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Returning from friend who did the body work and paint. Lots of little dents !
Headliner is next. I got a TMI vinyl one and I’m not really looking forward to doing it but there is no one close brave enough . Arghhh. It doesn’t seem like that big a deal but more will be revealed.
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Kthomas Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2022 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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Had lots of little dents.
No dents now 🙄😀 |
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Kthomas Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2022 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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Why would my gear shift lever keep popping out of the socket ? I have the plate oriented like this photo I found.
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67rustavenger Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Engine decisions for 60 beetle |
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Kthomas wrote: |
Why would my gear shift lever keep popping out of the socket ? I have the plate oriented like this photo I found.
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Remove the reverse lockout plate.
Look inside the tunnel and see if the bushing carrier is intact. Or badly worn and needing replacement.
The lockout plate should affect the shift lever popping out of the socket. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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