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IkeD6
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 Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:57 pm Post subject: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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Recently just replaced my generator with an alternator on my super beetle. Completed today, everything seemed to be running fine now the car is dying when idling... when I give it gas it stays on my as soon as I release the gas it will just putter until it dies, thinking maybe something to do with carb but not sure.
If anyone could let me know any possible fixes that would be great |
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VW_Jimbo 
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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Is the idle fuel cut out solenoid disconnected?
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IkeD6
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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| It is connected |
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VW_Jimbo
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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At both ends? Does the solenoid make a click noise if you pull off the connector with the key in the on RUN position and the motor not running?
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IkeD6
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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| Both ends connected. Heard a click but is that not something else? Pulled off the connector and the motor still turned and started but died on idle when I release any gas |
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Mikedrevguy
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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Was it idling fine before the swap?
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IkeD6
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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| Yes idling perfect, been trying to troubleshoot lots but still no conclusion on it. Everything seems good and installed properly, when I give it gas it sounds great, just cannot hold an idle. Obviously something not giving it the power to idle, might see what I can do with the carb tomorrow not too sure what else it would be. |
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IkeD6
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:58 am Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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| Also Jimbo I just tested it and it does make a click |
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beetlenut
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:12 am Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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The most obvious place to start is to take out the idle jet, same side of the carb as the alternator, as see if something is blocking it. Had it happen.
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IkeD6
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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| Just checked and nothing blocking it, if I loose the bigger screw beside it will idle… but at very high RPM and, I can’t turn down the idle anymore manually, so the only way it’ll idle right now is a super high rpm |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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Have you checked your intake boots for vacuum leaks? Or anything else that might cause a vacuum leak?
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IkeD6
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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| Could be a vacuum leak... I just noticed the gasket under the carb is ripped on one of the ends... could that be a factor? |
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Xevin
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:49 am Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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| IkeD6 wrote: |
| Could be a vacuum leak... I just noticed the gasket under the carb is ripped on one of the ends... could that be a factor? |
Maybe. But if you didn’t mess with it recently and it was running fine. Maybe not. Probably change that after troubleshooting other possibilities. Be safe when using carb cleaner or propane to detect vacuum leaks. And it may not be a vacuum leak. But easy enough to do while troubleshooting.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:52 am Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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| IkeD6 wrote: |
| Could be a vacuum leak... I just noticed the gasket under the carb is ripped on one of the ends... could that be a factor? |
Always fix first what you KNOW is bad.....
Always fix first what you KNOW is bad.....
Always fix first what you KNOW is bad.....
Always fix first what you KNOW is bad.....
Always fix first what you KNOW is bad.....
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beetlenut
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:07 am Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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| IkeD6 wrote: |
| Just checked and nothing blocking it, if I loose the bigger screw beside it will idle… but at very high RPM and, I can’t turn down the idle anymore manually, so the only way it’ll idle right now is a super high rpm |
OK wait. You said, "Just checked (the idle jet) and nothing blocking it, if I loose the bigger screw beside ,it will idle… ", There is no big screw beside the idle jet! The big screw is the Bypass screw on the opposite side of the carb from the idle jet, and it sets the idle speed. So yes, if you loosen it the idle goes up.
So how are you attempting to turn down the idle? Hopefully you're not using the Fast Idle Adjuster at the end of the throttle arm. That does NOT adjust the idle!
Check out this article at the bottom of the page "Setting the 34PICT/3 Carburetor" on how to properly set up your carb.
http://www.vw-resource.com/34pict3.html
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| ... I spend more time shaking it than directing it?! I get a pretty decent blast for 8sec. then have to shake it again. |
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IkeD6
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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There are two screws on carb on the right side by the alternator, there’s is one smaller screw and one bigger screw… (my apologies I don’t know what they are…) the car won’t idle unless I spin the bigger screw a couple times but then it idles high… and if I try to use the bypass screw the idle won’t change. I have not touched the fast idle adjuster
So pretty much if I have the carb at the normal tune I’ve always had it revs nice sounds nice but just won’t idle, but if I twist that screw on the right side (again I’m sorry I don’t know what it’s called) it will idle but high and it won’t let me adjust. |
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beetlenut
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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| IkeD6 wrote: |
There are two screws on carb on the right side by the alternator, there’s is one smaller screw and one bigger screw… (my apologies I don’t know what they are…) the car won’t idle unless I spin the bigger screw a couple times but then it idles high… and if I try to use the bypass screw the idle won’t change. I have not touched the fast idle adjuster
So pretty much if I have the carb at the normal tune I’ve always had it revs nice sounds nice but just won’t idle, but if I twist that screw on the right side (again I’m sorry I don’t know what it’s called) it will idle but high and it won’t let me adjust. |
OK, lets back all the way up. What carb do you have on your engine? I assumed since it was a 73 Super that you were running a 34 PICT 3.
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| ... I spend more time shaking it than directing it?! I get a pretty decent blast for 8sec. then have to shake it again. |
- Words to live by right there!
My 74 Super rebuild thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6507104#6507104 |
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IkeD6
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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Those two screws are the ones I am talking about, the bigger one in right when I loosen allows the car to idle but very high, assuming it allows more air in
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beetlenut
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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OK, looks like you do have a 34 PICT 3 (it will be stamped on the opposite of the carb on the fuel bowl). That bigger screw you're talking about IS the idle jet. It should fit tight, not loose. Is that the one you took out to see if it was clogged? The other side of the carb will have the large Bypass screw (idle speed) and smaller volume control screw(air/fuel ratio) adjusting screws.
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| ... I spend more time shaking it than directing it?! I get a pretty decent blast for 8sec. then have to shake it again. |
- Words to live by right there!
My 74 Super rebuild thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6507104#6507104 |
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Mikedrevguy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:53 am Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle not idling |
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This can be a helpful resource.
http://www.vw-resource.com/34pict3.html
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