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binger59 Samba Member
Joined: December 09, 2007 Posts: 236 Location: Oswego, NY
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:01 am Post subject: Temp2 sensor unplug and runs. |
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Hey folks looking for some help. 84 1.9 slowly lost power after driving for 176 miles. Unplug the temp 2 sensor and fires right up. Plug in and it dies. Currently in VT rt17 at the Vermont skydiving adventures. Currently dead in the water. _________________ Binger
1984 Westy
1986 7 Pass R.I.P. Donor van
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hdenter Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2008 Posts: 2749 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Temp2 sensor unplug and runs. |
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What is it that you're looking for? Diagnostic advice, second pair of hands, some tools, a place to work...
Hans _________________ '79 triple white convertible bug
'84 sunroof vanagon
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binger59 Samba Member
Joined: December 09, 2007 Posts: 236 Location: Oswego, NY
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:46 am Post subject: Re: Temp2 sensor unplug and runs. |
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Sorry for being vague. I wanted possibly a workaround… having owned one of these things for the last 25 years it was just wishful thinking I guess. I have a friend bringing a brand new sensor from Burlington. Fingers crossed, I’m confident that’s the problem consider the trouble shooting I’ve done. Thanks for letting me vent I suppose. _________________ Binger
1984 Westy
1986 7 Pass R.I.P. Donor van
2019 Jetta
2014 Passat
2019 Atlas
2006 Passat R.I.P.
1998 Jetta R.I.P.
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2018 Posts: 3549 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Temp2 sensor unplug and runs. |
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binger59 wrote: |
Sorry for being vague. I wanted possibly a workaround… having owned one of these things for the last 25 years it was just wishful thinking I guess. I have a friend bringing a brand new sensor from Burlington. Fingers crossed, I’m confident that’s the problem consider the trouble shooting I’ve done. Thanks for letting me vent I suppose. |
If you can a spare resistor that's the right value, you could wire it in as a substitute Temp sensor value for a hot engine spec. But, since you have a new actual sensor on the way via that friend, let us know how you make out.
A Decade Box is starting to look like a nice tool to keep in my Vanagon if I lost a temp sensor suddenly. [Decade box is a premade set of resistors wired up on a board with switches, you can select or add values to create your own resistance value for testing. Handy for Gauges or other troubleshooting]
Just one example out there for a Decade Box: This one has its own alligator clips and wires, so you only need pins that match what ever connector pins you're trying to tap into, or even paperclips unfolded in a pinch
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15129 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: Temp2 sensor unplug and runs. |
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I'm not exactly sure but iirc you can unplug the sensor and GND the signal
ie. cross the 2 terminals with a paperclip
and it'll run rich but will run..
would have to possibly unplug the O2 as well so it won't try to over/under compensate and create a bucking scenario.
here's the test values if you have a VO meter
https://web.archive.org/web/20150225033333/http://www.vanagonparts.com/sensor_tests.html
Coolant Temperature Sensor
Application: Measure resistance between terminals No. 2 and 7.
Temperature °F (°C) 122 (50)
Ohms 800-1000
Temperature °F (°C)176 (80)
Ohms 250-350
Temperature °F (°C) 212 (100)
Ohms 100-200
page 27 of the digijet manual
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binger59 Samba Member
Joined: December 09, 2007 Posts: 236 Location: Oswego, NY
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Temp2 sensor unplug and runs. |
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Sensor didn’t work van just turns over. Not flat bedding it to Craig’s vw repair. _________________ Binger
1984 Westy
1986 7 Pass R.I.P. Donor van
2019 Jetta
2014 Passat
2019 Atlas
2006 Passat R.I.P.
1998 Jetta R.I.P.
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: Temp2 sensor unplug and runs. |
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It didn't sound like the sensor, as a bad sensor and a disconnected sensor should run the same. I think you have something that is making the engine run lean. A bad vacuum leak or maybe low fuel pressure. Remember that vacuum leaks often occur on the under side of a hose or boot so you may need to do more than a casual visual check. |
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binger59 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Temp2 sensor unplug and runs. |
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Getting fuel, injectors are pulsing and there’s spark. So I’m not sure check the vacuum as best I could. Its getting dark out now _________________ Binger
1984 Westy
1986 7 Pass R.I.P. Donor van
2019 Jetta
2014 Passat
2019 Atlas
2006 Passat R.I.P.
1998 Jetta R.I.P.
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Howesight Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2008 Posts: 3262 Location: Vancouver, B.C.
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: Temp2 sensor unplug and runs. |
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binger59 wrote: |
Hey folks looking for some help. 84 1.9 slowly lost power after driving for 176 miles. Unplug the temp 2 sensor and fires right up. Plug in and it dies. Currently in VT rt17 at the Vermont skydiving adventures. Currently dead in the water. |
The Temp 2 sensor is a Negative Temperature Coefficient (NTC) thermistor. That means at low temperatures, it provides high resistance, and at high temperatures, it provides low resistance. The ECU is programmed to add fuel to the base fuel map when the resistance is high and vice-versa. So, if you were losing power, and adding fuel reduced the power loss, then you very likely have a vacuum leak as another poster suggested above. Unplugging the temp 2 sensor leaves the ECU with infinite resistance which results in the ECU adding a substantial amount of fueling over the base fueling map. This is likely why the engine ran with the Temp 2 sensor disconnected.
Common sources of vacuum leaks include:
1. The corrugated rubber pie between throttle body and Air Flow Meter (AFM) which must be removed for a proper inspection;
2. The diaphragm inside the breather tower;
3. Cloth-covered rubber pipes joining intake plenum to the intake runners;
4. Brake vacuum hose;
5. Breather hose;
Finally, don't discount the possibility that the extra fuel injected with the Temp 2 disconnected has flooded the engine and wetted out the spark plugs. Older spark plugs will wet out more seriously since the carbon acts like a sponge. If you end up pulling the spark plugs, a compression test would be a good idea (for better diagnosing)while the plugs are out. _________________ '86 Syncro Westy SVX |
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