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GreenZoomBug Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2021 Posts: 45 Location: Over the Hill
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:37 pm Post subject: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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I'm in que for having a 1600 rebuilt in the next few weeks. So l have a bit of time to reconsider my options. As of now I'm planning on getting 88 mm thin wall slip in p+c made by AA l believe. I'm assuming if they were bad they wouldn't still be making them. Anyone have bad experience with these sets ? My car is a 67 Baja |
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DerrickfromNC1 Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2008 Posts: 1302 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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Are you reusing your heads? If not find a distributor that sells the thickwall 88s and machines the cylinders to fit in a standard 85.5 case. Then purchase your heads that are machined for the 88s. |
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Danwvw Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2012 Posts: 8892 Location: Oregon Coast
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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Probably be ok around town however if your buying heads just get heads for the Thick-Wall 88's. _________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76940 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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GreenZoomBug wrote: |
I'm assuming if they were bad they wouldn't still be making them. |
With that thinking you should buy one from GEX and make sure they use a Chinese 009.
Good luck with your build. _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
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5x205 Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2017 Posts: 19
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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AA makes 88 pc's that slip into the case but are thick on the head end.Ive only read/heard good things about these and have consider using some myself for refreshing my 1600 dp in the future.These are the only 88's I would consider using myself.Gathering stuff up right now to go with dual carb's and may just redo top end this winter also.Seems like a good way to boost performance with out getting too serious (ie splitting the case).May even throw some performance workshop super stock heads into the mix also.The AA PC's Im referring too are actually thicker than stock 85.5 mm PC's so should live along time.Just my .02$ |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9772 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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Glenn wrote: |
GreenZoomBug wrote: |
I'm assuming if they were bad they wouldn't still be making them. |
With that thinking you should buy one from GEX and make sure they use a Chinese 009.
Good luck with your build. |
OP. In this case. DON"T LISTEN TO GLENN!
He's being sarcastic. At best.
I have a 1679 engine that I ran for 26K miles. It never missed a beat. It's sitting on my garage floor waiting for the next time I put into service.
It has AA 88mmTW cylinders. Yeah, you have the heads cut open to fit the cylinder tops. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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Max Welton Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2003 Posts: 10697 Location: Black Forest, CO
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76940 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
OP. In this case. DON"T LISTEN TO GLENN!
He's being sarcastic. At best. |
Come on, if the OP believes that parts wouldn't be for sale if they were not good then GEX will have the cheapest price.
But I know better.
some quality parts that YOU can still buy
_________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
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bigbore Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2003 Posts: 3297 Location: Wasilla Alaska
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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Glenn wrote: |
GreenZoomBug wrote: |
I'm assuming if they were bad they wouldn't still be making them. |
With that thinking you should buy one from GEX and make sure they use a Chinese 009.
Good luck with your build. |
HA HA HA HA Glenn's got it right there! _________________ where its cold and snowy |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26790 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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GreenZoomBug wrote: |
I'm assuming if they were bad they wouldn't still be making them. Anyone have bad experience with these sets ? |
They "work"....... depending on how you define "work"
Is the purpose to make the machine do work for you?
Or to make you work for the machine?
This applies to cars and capitalism |
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bigbore Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2003 Posts: 3297 Location: Wasilla Alaska
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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My two bays both have slip-in 87s there not the best but I had them and in Alaska it cold so no problems but if you want 88's get the ones these guys are talking but you will have some maching to do. _________________ where its cold and snowy |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76940 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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Seriously...
You could build an engine with slip in 88s, cast crank and flywheel along with Chinese heads, distributor, carb and fan shroud. It might take some work to get it to work well. And then don't over heat it and don't expect it to last as long as a stock engine.
Oh.. don't leave home without your cell phone and AAA card. _________________ Glenn
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bigbore Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2003 Posts: 3297 Location: Wasilla Alaska
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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man thats a beauty intake Glenn _________________ where its cold and snowy |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76940 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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M. Notary Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2004 Posts: 77
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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You won't know the difference with 88's or 85.5. Get 87's if it makes you feel better. Dual single throat carbs with a c-35 or 110 cam |
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GreenZoomBug Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2021 Posts: 45 Location: Over the Hill
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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Guess l should of said, " If they were crap a Good builder wouldn't be using them" 😉
Glenn wrote: |
GreenZoomBug wrote: |
I'm assuming if they were bad they wouldn't still be making them. |
With that thinking you should buy one from GEX and make sure they use a Chinese 009.
Good luck with your build. |
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Alstrup Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2007 Posts: 7219 Location: Videbaek Denmark
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:05 am Post subject: Re: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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Its a little bit funny that the crappiest parts are the ones that sell the best.
Thin wall 88´s - can - have a decent life span IF they are prepared and installed in the right set up. 25-30 years ago, when parts were the same price as today and we earned about half we did a lot of work to get the most for least anount of money on the table. I built a few slip in´s that did quite well, but it was a lot of work. I machined the cylinders down so I got zero deck. Then I got the heads machined with a step, (yes you read right) that matched the cylinder wall and had the deck height in the heads, ,047-0,050" deck height, slightly enlarged chambers to keep 7,5 CR. 1,25 rockers,32 Solex carbs and a 1 3/8" header. These engines had a shall we call it fairly decent life span of about 35000 miles before the cylinders were so worn that the engine burned oil big time.
GreenZoomBug wrote: |
Guess l should of said, " If they were crap a Good builder wouldn't be using them" 😉
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Depends on how much he cares about your engine AFTER it passed the curb.
also depends on how much you will be using the vehicle. If your just driving down to get ice cream twice a month I´m sure it will last several years. _________________ https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=435993 |
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madmike Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 5292 Location: Atlanta,Michigan
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:47 am Post subject: Re: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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Had a buddy 'warp' them first time to the Dunes _________________ 'Black Ice'Drag Buggy 'Turbo'
Rail Buggy 1915 turbo
76 Drag/Street bug 2180cc 'Turbo' 11:85 @113 mph"If I go any faster I'll burn up the Hamster" ,gets 28 mpg. also 10/09/22 11.90 @115 mph
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12468
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:08 am Post subject: Re: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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GreenZoomBug wrote: |
I'm assuming if they were bad they wouldn't still be making them. Anyone have bad experience with these sets ? My car is a 67 Baja |
The bright idea behind thin wall cylinders was to cut corners and avoid doing the machine work but there’s a reason why cylinders are made to certain thickness, That reason is heat dissipation. If you use them drive gently and don’t overheat the car. I wouldn’t use them in a type 2 or 3 for the same reason, I ran them in a 64 bus and suffered the consequences so in the long run didn’t save any money in fact the opposite was true. They also made thin wall 90.5s but I haven’t seen them in years.
Regarding making and selling shitty parts, let the buyer beware certain sellers will sell rubbish, case in point small diameter crank pulley AKA power pulley which will make more heat as it reduces cooling fan speed. To add to the confusion you’ll get conflicting opinions from shade tree mechanics here that have no training but mean well just trying to help. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76940 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:09 am Post subject: Re: 88 mm Slip in P+C sets |
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GreenZoomBug wrote: |
Guess l should of said, " If they were crap a Good builder wouldn't be using them" 😉 |
You're ASSuming they're a "good" builder. _________________ Glenn
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