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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

For what it’s worth I’d suggest planning to restore the truck and therefore do all you can to secure one of those cabs. The A pillars are available as a repro so you could relatively easily (easy for me to say) have a truck looking project there. If you decide to sell it down the line it will be FAR more saleable and valuable with a cab roof than without. I’m planning a similar project for a mid fifties truck so am speaking with a little experience behind me on this one. I’m looking forward to seeing what you do with it, even if you just retain it as a workbench, it will be super cool with a cab!
I call mine my Dove Blue art project 😊

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

i will edit my first post to reflect my current intentions. im going to keep the thing and im going to rebuild it. i plan to do so using as much original vw material as i can find. im going to get my bug up and running first. i like the idea of keeping it original. i less attracted to the idea of using reproduction parts. i have storage space. i have the time to work and the years to be patient. i can afford the prices (i think).

ive spoken with the owner of the cabs again. he is not interested in a private sale. he seems uncertain about the value and i dont blame him. he plans to sell all of the vw stuff at auction in a single lot. im sad about that. i dont want that extra cab. or the logod bus. or the mountains of other parts.

the seller suggested buying the lot and parting it out for profit. i hate turning my hobbies into jobs, and have already ruined several of my hobbies doing so. IMO hustle culture is one of the worst things that ever happened to hobbies. i go to work to make money. i want my hobbies to be free of that.

i am uncertain what to do about this problem moving forward. i will probably make an offer that the guy would be foolish to refuse. im willing to overpay to have it sooner, and im willing to overpay to not have the headache of all that other stuff. im open to suggestions if anybody has idea.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

Maybe you can team up with some buddies who may want the extra projects or parts. dealing or swapping is not everybody's thing, but it can be part of the fun as well, and you never know what happens when you meet like minded people.
Just the other week I picked up a pretty banged up W oval engine lid from a local guy, just to find out he was an avid collector and he gave me the full tour of his oval and early bug convertibles and projects. that was a nice surprise and great socialising with a friendly guy, and we might both benefit from each other swapping parts, infos or meeting for cruising our cars. just saying.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

i love to make friends and want to meet more vw people. as an adult i have only been involved with classic vws since july.

i dont know anyone who wants those parts.

do you?

id be happy to work with other people who want the rest of it.

id be happy to line the pockets of whoever buys the whole lot.

what i dont want is more clutter in my garage or to add to my already significant parts mountain. its going to take me years to identify and sell through what i already have.

this is an outdated picture, but it gives you an idea
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

adding some more photos.

got the steering arm freed up. for some reason Scrappy can only turn right. its not an ambiturner.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

small update regarding the cabs in mid missouri:

another samba member approached me and told me they were interested in everything else in the barndoor auction. armed with an out for that stuff i sent the guy a message offering (what i feel is) a strong price for the whole lot.

the seller did not respond. its been about 2 weeks since he read my pm.

i know everyone communicates differently. if i was offered 5 figures cash for car parts i intended to sell i would respond to the offer. im frustrated.

if there is an auction ill go.

if one of you guys gets that stuff i would love to buy one of those cabs from you.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

Jimone wrote:
small update regarding the cabs in mid missouri:

another samba member approached me and told me they were interested in everything else in the barndoor auction. armed with an out for that stuff i sent the guy a message offering (what i feel is) a strong price for the whole lot.

the seller did not respond. its been about 2 weeks since he read my pm.

i know everyone communicates differently. if i was offered 5 figures cash for car parts i intended to sell i would respond to the offer. im frustrated.

if there is an auction ill go.

if one of you guys gets that stuff i would love to buy one of those cabs from you.

Any 5 figure offer for that stuff is a very strong offer for what is pictured. The stuff is mostly just rusty yard-art. I don't see the stuff going for a crazy price at auction, but then again barndoor people are nuts.

You can always get most of the stuff reproduction as well, which would be better metal to work with. Any front doors through 1963 will fit.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

thanks for the info on the doors! i had been wondering where that line was and hadnt looked hard enough to find a good answer.

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that door information doesnt appear to be accurate. the post barndoor handles had different cut outs. while workable they wont be correct without modification.
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is it a strong offer? i honestly have no idea. when was the last time someone sold a barndoor cab? how much did that sell for?

at this time im not terribly interested in reproduction parts. i want to rebuild this 54 truck. im less interested in a 2021 truck that looks like a 54 truck.

does anyone make a reproduction 54 pickup cab? i havent found them on any of the major sites.

i should clarify that im frustrated with the guy, not the project. my bug is my classic car project that is taking priority. this thing comes after that and all of the other things in life that come before vws like family and work and the house and my dog and so on. im happy to be patient. the parts will come along in due time.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

i finally heard back from the cab dude. he told me "save your nickels". i wont be messaging him again.

i will reiterate that if someone here buys that stuff and wants to unload one of the cabs they should hit me up. ill buy it. cash. im right down the street from that guy, so you wont even have to do much about getting it to me when you pick your stuff up.

in other news:

my friend mike wrote this up about my pops in the most recent VVWCA newsletter. dad was the previous owner of this truck.

i miss you dad

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

What a write up! Its hard loosing a parent. I heard a quote on the radio today...
"we should strive to be the best ancestor we can be" Reading that article there is no doubt your Father did just that, future generations will look back in admiration at his life and the legacy he has left behind.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:34 am    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

otahuhu wrote:

"we should strive to be the best ancestor we can be"


that is an excellent sentiment. dad was certainly that.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

I picked up a couple patch panels for the truck the other day. shipped in from the uk. they came from a swedish 54 bus. they look a little crusty but the metal is super solid. ill use them to shore up some of the holes in the tool compartment.

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havent made much physical progress recently. been doing a lot of reading. brushing up on all the samba threads as well as some technical books. recent topics include wiring, body work, vw engine maintenance. been regularly checking the classified and ebay to get a feel for parts prices.

i didnt know i was going to have a classic car hobby a couple months ago, and i have no formal automotive training. i have a lot to learn.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

I would get someone who understands what it takes to do this barndoor. If your planning on patching on rusted out panels you'll regret it
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

Rich's 50 wrote:
I would get someone who understands what it takes to do this barndoor. If your planning on patching on rusted out panels you'll regret it


Who would you recommend?

My understanding is that good practice would dictate that you remove the rust before adding new pieces.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

had a guy respond to my wtb add regarding a roof clip. dude wanted 5g for a clip missing the lower part of the windows with damaged semaphore holes. i thought it was worth ~1.5g so thats what i offered. we weren't close on price and the deal fell through. dude was pleasant to talk to and had a neat ~60 single cab he showed me pictures of.

that makes 3 compatible roofs floating around the US that ive found in the last 3 months. finding more copies of the part gives me confidence that i will be able to find an acceptable roof clip for the truck. they dont appear to be oppressively rare.

the hunt continues.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

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had a guy respond to my wtb add regarding a roof clip. dude wanted 5g for a clip missing the lower part of the windows with damaged semaphore holes. i thought it was worth ~1.5g so thats what i offered. we weren't close on price and the deal fell through. dude was pleasant to talk to and had a neat ~60 single cab he showed me pictures of.

that makes 3 compatible roofs floating around the US that ive found in the last 3 months. finding more copies of the part gives me confidence that i will be able to find an acceptable roof clip for the truck. they dont appear to be oppressively rare.

the hunt continues.

Also working in your favor is that most people who are fixing buses go for fresh reproduction metal which doesn't have rust, rather than getting original metal which takes more work to fix the rust and dents, etc before fitting it.

Working against you is that many people seem to think that everything barndoor is gold and thus very precious.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

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Also working in your favor is that most people who are fixing buses go for fresh reproduction metal which doesn't have rust, rather than getting original metal which takes more work to fix the rust and dents, etc before fitting it.

Working against you is that many people seem to think that everything barndoor is gold and thus very precious.


i consider myself quite lucky to have fallen into such an interesting project. im also fortunate to have storage, free time and disposable income. the fact that this is an entertainment means i can spend a lot of hours on it and feel great about doing so. its going to be a grand adventure.

people do seem quite attached to their barndoor bits. i can relate. i find mine quite appealing and i havent felt motivated to sell off my redundant parts.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:36 am    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

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Rich's 50 wrote:
I would get someone who understands what it takes to do this barndoor. If your planning on patching on rusted out panels you'll regret it


When an area rusts from the bottom up or inside out, there are usually huge area of un-weldable metal surrounding the obvious damage. Most times it is un-uable because it's thin and compromised, it'll blow thru when attempting to weld and require massive amounts of grinding. Think of it like a rust iceburg, you will only see a small amount of the damage from above the surface and the rest remains hidden below the surface. Same goes for your donor metal which in this case looks highly compromised. The rust hole is 100% compromised, but it's a pretty safe assumption that the nearby metal is also un-usable for wide area unless proven otherwise.

Most of the time replacing entire panels at factory seams is a better approach from a time, materials, and quality viewpoint unless there is a compelling reason to preserve a partial panel. This is especially true on lower panels of buses. It's really really rare to see experienced metalmen making partial repairs of things like cargo floors or even rocker panels because they have already learned this lesson.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:16 am    Post subject: Re: Jims 1954 Reply with quote

Maybe i have this wrong, but it looks like you're buying scraps leftover from when people replaced rusted sections?
Hope that's not the case..

Something that gets lost on people is that metal is metal.
It doesn't -really- matter if the metal came from Germany in 1951 or Columbia in 2021.
If it's the right metallurgy, shape and thickness, who cares about provenance?
People have been recycling metal for thousands of years.
Your 1951 German floor might have previously been a tank in 1919 or a buggy wheel in 1873.
Maybe also even a church door hinge in 1421 and a chariot harness in the year 79..
Does any of that matter? I'll offer it doesn't.

When you go to welding, you'll see that thin rusty metal does not weld well, if at all.
Once rust pits get to a certain depth, and the metal too thin, it goes Poof! as soon as you touch it with a welder.
You'll booger together miles and of modern welding wire to make blobs, then ground down, ending with poor structural value.
You're choosing Chinese welding wire over Columbian sheetmetal..? Razz

People that really care will trim down new parts to save what original/good metal they can, and/or modify inaccuracies found in aftermarket parts.

Cars typically rust in the same or similar places the world over.

Take a good look at how different restorations are done here on this site,
Specifically the ones that end up finished. Wink

If you're ever going to actually drive this vehicle in your lifetime,
You're going to have to be buying some new panels.

Drag out your welder and get some practice in.
What needs to happen will become apparent.

Oh, and, those cabs being so close by must be driving you nuts!
I'm hundreds of miles away and it's bugging the tar out of me! Razz

People sure are funny about their junk sometimes, eh?

Good on you for diving into this project.
Been watching your Beetle build as well.
You're in a unique situation for sure.

One thing i did lately that was a gang of fun was to drag a ton of old parts out of the attic and have a big garage sale.
Listed it on Craigslist, and a bunch of people came around.
Old friends came by, as well as a bunch of new VW nutbars i got to meet.
Sold on a bunch of stuff i'll never use,
Made new friends, connected with old ones,
Got a few bucks, freed up room in the attic.
Having stuff out of the way allowed me more focus on the projects at hand,
Not just physically for access, but also mentally from distraction.
Most importantly, it felt good that parts i was never going to use went to someone who needed them and was going to use them.

Good luck in your adventure and thanks for sharing.
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