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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

My husband’s niece married a Mexican and asked me to provide a Mexican wedding car which I gladly did
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

Nice pics Alex!

This thread has been quiet for a while, so I also thought I would brighten it up with some pics from this past weekend.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:29 am    Post subject: Shop manual for 1993 1600i? Reply with quote

I see that I can get a manual for a 1993 Mexican VW Beetle from Germany at about US$100, but no. It’s a gift for the shop that carefully maintains my ‘71; they have a customer with one and all they have right now are some .pdf files.

What do the Mexican mechanics use?

My only contact there (a shop in La Paz, BCS) told me that there isn’t such a thing and that they just “wing it”. I call BS on that.

There has to be a repair manual for the last of the Mexican aircooled, fuel-injected, modern Beetles, but all my usual sources are not working,

I don’t even care what language it is in, but ideally Spanish or English.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:48 am    Post subject: Re: Shop manual for 1993 1600i? Reply with quote

"I see that I can get a manual for a 1993 Mexican VW Beetle from Germany at about US$100, but no. It’s a gift for the shop that carefully maintains my ‘71; they have a customer with one and all they have right now are some .pdf files.

What do the Mexican mechanics use?"Static

Well owners manual can be gotten from Antonio Trejo at partsVW on the Samba and they are in Spanish as for PDF work shop manuals Hopkinson has alot and in both German and Spanish.... If you are looting for another Source of part PM me ...Good Luck Sam
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

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I see that I can get a manual for a 1993 Mexican VW Beetle from Germany at about US$100, but no. It’s a gift for the shop that carefully maintains my ‘71; they have a customer with one and all they have right now are some .pdf files.

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As Soto says, send me a PM and I'll let you know what workshop manuals I have.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

Enjoyed the fall with my 1984 selvas green Mexican Beetle:

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

Love that green, very classic color.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:58 am    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

hopkin wrote:
Nice pics Alex!

This thread has been quiet for a while, so I also thought I would brighten it up with some pics from this past weekend.
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I am too lazy to go through all 149 pages since your original post (bad me), but years ago you lamented the poor rear view mirror angle. Could a 'vert mirror be adapted to mount there? Earlies swiveled up to solve that problem.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

KTPhil wrote:
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I am too lazy to go through all 149 pages since your original post (bad me), but years ago you lamented the poor rear view mirror angle. Could a 'vert mirror be adapted to mount there? Earlies swiveled up to solve that problem.

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Thanks KT, the mirror visibility problem is specific to the open air. When the roof is open it blocks the inside rear view mirror. I don't think a different angle of the mirror would help.

I can see over the top of the open roof, that is I can see the top half of vehicles following me, I'm blind when I'm backing into a spot. I plan to install a rear view camera, to overcome that.

Not a top priority, although I just ordered a 1 DIN size receiver that has a small video screen. I didn't order for that reason, but I'll play with the video option, it may be enough (so I don't need to install a larger screen).
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

I posted this in the stupid questions thread but perhaps this would have been the better place. Doesn't mean the question isn't stupid, just that you all might know the answer.

What are the silver valves for on this so-called "sherryberg carburetor for a Mexican Beetle" and what do they connect to? I have a Bocar from what I think is an '83 Mexi-Beetle on my '73 Super, but it doesn't have the two silver valves shown on this one. One is where the plug for the bowl would be and the other is where the idle jet would go on a German 34-3. Thanks!

https://www.amazon.com/Carburetor-SherryBerg-Volks...CARBURETOR
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:45 am    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

They are vacuum operated jets that move and modify the fuel/air mixture in the idle (the one used in place of the idle jet) and main circuits. They are part of the altimetric compensation system, basically since Mexico City is at more than 2000m above sea level, non injected mexican 1600 bugs adopted this system in the 80s and 90s up to the introduction of Fuel Injection.

From what I've learnt in the past years, basically you had a pressure-sensing switch, an electric valve and a vacuum reservoir. By distributing vacuum to the jets (edit: and moving them allowing more or less air to pass) in response to a change in altitude the system could lean or enrich the mixture.

edit: you can turn that carb into a "normal" one by replacing the idle jet with a standard one and the other with a plug.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:52 am    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

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From what I've learnt in the past years, basically you had a pressure-sensing switch, an electric valve and a vacuum reservoir. By distributing vacuum to the jets (edit: and moving them allowing more or less air to pass) in response to a change in altitude the system could lean or enrich the mixture.
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Garba: Is this the vacuum reservoir that you are referring too?
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I think I have a photo somewhere showing the pre-ACD Mexican Beetle engines (that use this). I'm not sure if it clearly shows the hookup, but I'll see if I can dig it up and post it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:39 am    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

yes, there used to be a thread with a clear pic of a mexi with a "sistema altimetrico" carb.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:28 am    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

Garba, grazie mille per la tua risposta, adeso capito!

Hopkin - I saw '83 Mexi-Beetle for sale at one of the online auction sites. I think the car had less than 1k miles on it and had the pictures of this intact system. One of the connections to that vacuum cannister was the retard port on the back of the carb, that connected up to a T-fitting, w/one of the Ts running behind the carb I'm guessing to the idle jet valve. I suppose those canisters are completely NLA.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:46 am    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

vamram wrote:
... I suppose those canisters are completely NLA.


Here's the hookup (cannister is #2) and still available Smile :
https://www.volkswagen-classic-parts.com/catalog/en_global/part/049129808C
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:16 am    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

Very interesting...what are parts #6 & 8?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

wow that threw me side ways that amazon has the altimetric Carb for beetles... got mine from Mexico... these are still used in a conversion kit for Fi cars... I have the kit in waiting
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:25 am    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

vamram wrote:
Very interesting...what are parts #6 & 8?


6 = 437906283A
8 = there is no part number shown in the parts list:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:47 am    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

6 is NLA from VW and Audi but *may* be available as an aftermarket part here:

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-volkswagen-audi-parts/valve/437906283a/
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years Reply with quote

I think #8 and #12 are reversed in the table with respect to the drawing.
#8 in the table is a length of vacuum hose of 116mm, while in the drawing is pointed at the pressure sensing switch (171919371D) which in the table is #12.
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