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1970PAKombi Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2019 Posts: 264 Location: Denver, PA
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:33 pm Post subject: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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Somewhat off-topic, but, somewhat not as we are all car people on this forum. I was wondering if anyone had issues with friends in the car community that were frugal ('CHEAP') and they needed help with you nudging them.
I have a particular friend that is into Chevy muscle cars. He's trying to restore a Nova and still needs some panels for it. He basically has a front end, motor, frame, and axles.
Recently I found what I thought was the deal of a lifetime that would set him up big time. It was a Nova that was the same year but was missing the motor, no title, and no axles. But the body was all there. No rust except the driver's door, which he has. Frame is great, quarters, fenders - all good enough to be blasted and painted - no dents!
Seller is an 8 hour trip roundtrip, they want $600 and are firm on the price. To me, even a replacement quarter panel is $389 without shipping. Yes, you have to rent a trailer and pay for gas. But in the grand scheme, $800-900 out the door to get everything that you need to finish your car AND sell parts off - you can't go wrong.
My friend just hem's and haw's, insults the guy by trying to get him to take less. I know I can't force him to spend his money, but my friend (and some of our other friend's in the car community) get like this somewhat often where if it's not in their backyard, they balk. But then express remorse over it the second it sells.
Further information - he can afford it, he has kids, but does get select weekends free as he's divorced and remarried to someone without kids/enjoys cars as much as he does. |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51145 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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I used to do stuff like that for a few buddies, some jump on it, others do as your friend did. Now I just keep my mouth shut and say "gee..., that's too bad" when they whine about something they farted around on and missed, I refuse to babysit them, they are grown up and can make their own decisions. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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CanStan Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2005 Posts: 1038 Location: Calgary, AB
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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You should buy it. Since you already have a buyer lined up for all of the panels, you'll be able to double or even triple your money pretty quick.
Just kidding. Some people can't be helped. If he's not interested for whatever reason, it's not worth worrying about I guess.
You can lead a horse to water... |
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13848 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:56 am Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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Just like VW parts stuff. Nothing better then original part that fits. Explain that to him. The metal is better. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
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1970PAKombi Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2019 Posts: 264 Location: Denver, PA
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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busdaddy wrote: |
I used to do stuff like that for a few buddies, some jump on it, others do as your friend did. Now I just keep my mouth shut and say "gee..., that's too bad" when they whine about something they farted around on and missed, I refuse to babysit them, they are grown up and can make their own decisions. |
I am getting to that point in all honesty, it's not just him particularly either, it's a few buddies. Unless the deal is in their backyard, gift wrapped, and practically free - they won't bite. |
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1970PAKombi Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2019 Posts: 264 Location: Denver, PA
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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CanStan wrote: |
You should buy it. Since you already have a buyer lined up for all of the panels, you'll be able to double or even triple your money pretty quick.
Just kidding. Some people can't be helped. If he's not interested for whatever reason, it's not worth worrying about I guess.
You can lead a horse to water... |
Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was the 'norm' for people like that to exist. |
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1970PAKombi Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2019 Posts: 264 Location: Denver, PA
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:21 am Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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gt1953 wrote: |
Just like VW parts stuff. Nothing better then original part that fits. Explain that to him. The metal is better. |
I agree, it's just disappointing to me as someone that is willing to get on the road and go out and get those deals. Whereas people like him will sit on the couch and whine when the car inevitably sells and kick himself. |
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1970PAKombi Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2019 Posts: 264 Location: Denver, PA
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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My father always says, 'Life isn't a spectator sport'. I feel like people that with the available funds and means still won't pull the trigger but whine when someone else has the motivation to get off the couch and and will buy it. |
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crukab Samba Chef
Joined: December 13, 2002 Posts: 6116 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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I find that same attitude w/ some people I know, not realistic when it comes to finishing projects, as you said, if it's not in their backyard, it's to much "work".
People always tell me they want a Bus/camper, but are never willing to do the work to get one, weather it's saving the $$ to buy one, or buying a project & doing the work needed to get it on the road, " if wishes were horses"....
The last Bus I dragged home is a Westy, people ask how I found it or could buy it, I WORK at it, hunting back roads, talking VWs to everyone, they don't just fall in your lap, I had to pester the owners for 3 years, until they were ready to sell. _________________ Tom
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16CVs Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2004 Posts: 4026 Location: Redwood City, California
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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vwinnovator Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 1555 Location: Still doing it in the back of your VW
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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I you see any value you in it..
go buy it yourself and build one too!
you and your buddy can bond over the 2 cars together |
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1970PAKombi Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2019 Posts: 264 Location: Denver, PA
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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crukab wrote: |
I find that same attitude w/ some people I know, not realistic when it comes to finishing projects, as you said, if it's not in their backyard, it's to much "work".
People always tell me they want a Bus/camper, but are never willing to do the work to get one, weather it's saving the $$ to buy one, or buying a project & doing the work needed to get it on the road, " if wishes were horses"....
The last Bus I dragged home is a Westy, people ask how I found it or could buy it, I WORK at it, hunting back roads, talking VWs to everyone, they don't just fall in your lap, I had to pester the owners for 3 years, until they were ready to sell. |
I have plenty of those people too haha. If my contribution to the VW community is anything, it’s networking. Plenty of people are in the sales/purchases and treat it like a finite business deal. I always hang out and offer to grab a beer with them. Build it and see what they say |
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1970PAKombi Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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vwinnovator wrote: |
I you see any value you in it..
go buy it yourself and build one too!
you and your buddy can bond over the 2 cars together |
I would except I don’t really have an interest in going fast/muscle cars! I’ll gladly go with him to get it, be his cheapest labor (free) but I have six cars and don’t need or want another haha |
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Erik G Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13280 Location: Tejas!
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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Man you are going to see this everywhere. There are do'ers and people that can't. I am thankful for the do'ers in my life that make me do more than I otherwise would. No joke. Maybe a good neutral bar talk? Just jumping on a lead with a friend is some of my best memories ( and deals) _________________ Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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You know what a car with no title is worth to me? Zero. I'd pass too. I don't want the Sheriff showing up on my doorstep asking where the stolen car I'm cutting up came from. |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22668 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:55 am Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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Pruneman99 wrote: |
You know what a car with no title is worth to me? Zero. I'd pass too. I don't want the Sheriff showing up on my doorstep asking where the stolen car I'm cutting up came from. |
I’ve enjoyed lots of no title cars. You are missing out.
You DO have to go through the process of making sure it isn’t stolen , which involves law enforcement. If you have loose VIN PLATES or cars without vin plates, you are a criminal _________________ .ssS! |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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1970PAKombi wrote: |
I am getting to that point in all honesty, it's not just him particularly either, it's a few buddies. Unless the deal is in their backyard, gift wrapped, and practically free - they won't bite. |
I hear you loud and clear! I too am fed to the back teeth with the couch critics that want to be spoon fed everything!
I have been going through that lately as in recent retirement I am trying to streamline my projects and parts, realizing that I only have so much time and money left. I have tried advertising some of this stuff on a local VW Faceplant site, some for free and some at a very reasonable price. Lots of interest until they realize they have to come and get it. This means getting up off the couch and driving out of thier neighborhood! Nope! Cannot do!
Then there is the total A holes that tell everyone on the site that I am asking way too much money and the car is rusted so bad that it is missing the lower 18" completely. That is all without me listing a price (reasonable offers) and posting no pictures!
I tried to give away a surplus low mile Bay Window drum to drum front suspension. Come and get it... finally after 2 years some guy agreed to meet me part way (I drove 2/3 of the way!) to get it. When he saw the condition of it he could not believe I was giving it away.
Well ya... Duh!! I told you so! _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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1970PAKombi Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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Abscate wrote: |
Pruneman99 wrote: |
You know what a car with no title is worth to me? Zero. I'd pass too. I don't want the Sheriff showing up on my doorstep asking where the stolen car I'm cutting up came from. |
I’ve enjoyed lots of no title cars. You are missing out.
You DO have to go through the process of making sure it isn’t stolen , which involves law enforcement. If you have loose VIN PLATES or cars without vin plates, you are a criminal |
When I buy a car without a title, I use an attorney to get a title, I do it the unpopular way that costs $1000, but, I like the peace of mind associated with a judicial ruling and court order giving me sole possession of it. |
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1970PAKombi Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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oprn wrote: |
1970PAKombi wrote: |
I am getting to that point in all honesty, it's not just him particularly either, it's a few buddies. Unless the deal is in their backyard, gift wrapped, and practically free - they won't bite. |
I hear you loud and clear! I too am fed to the back teeth with the couch critics that want to be spoon fed everything!
I have been going through that lately as in recent retirement I am trying to streamline my projects and parts, realizing that I only have so much time and money left. I have tried advertising some of this stuff on a local VW Faceplant site, some for free and some at a very reasonable price. Lots of interest until they realize they have to come and get it. This means getting up off the couch and driving out of thier neighborhood! Nope! Cannot do!
Then there is the total A holes that tell everyone on the site that I am asking way too much money and the car is rusted so bad that it is missing the lower 18" completely. That is all without me listing a price (reasonable offers) and posting no pictures!
I tried to give away a surplus low mile Bay Window drum to drum front suspension. Come and get it... finally after 2 years some guy agreed to meet me part way (I drove 2/3 of the way!) to get it. When he saw the condition of it he could not believe I was giving it away.
Well ya... Duh!! I told you so! |
Congrats on retiring! I actually dealt with the same thing this week - a different friend, claims he wants a bus, wants to get into the community, etc. A Bay Window came up for sale through someone I know through the community for less than a grand. In great shape, in all honesty I think it's gone by now after 24 hours, so I sent it to him and said 'Hey, it's $1000. I know the guy, I have excess parts we can even trade him to lower the price'. He let it slip through his hands.
I know when I sell one of my buses in the spring he's going to neg and beg me to sell it to him for $1 haha. |
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Advice: Nudging a Friend to Buy a Good Deal |
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Something not yet brought up here- Some people just like to be SOLD something. They don't want to listen to friend's advice or take the time to do some real research. They want the seller to SELL them on the deal. It's a narcissistic way of "winning."
My years have taught me the same as others above me here- you can't change that behavior. _________________
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