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LVGhia72 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2020 Posts: 282 Location: Lost Wages
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:07 am Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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sputnick60 wrote: |
The caps on those TWRs don't take long to rust. Might I suggest a lick of paint or a smear of grease to keep the rust gremlins away.
Nicholas |
Thanks for the info Nicholas. Everything is going to be cleaned up and a coat of black epoxy paint applied.
Steve |
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LVGhia72 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2020 Posts: 282 Location: Lost Wages
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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All the Tie rod ends have been replaced. I counted the threads and used a tape measure to duplicate the original positions of the rods. That way the alignment won't be to far off. Anyway, there is an alignment shop less than a mile from where I live.
I no longer have anymore parts on hand. I'll be ordering more parts as I move on with the rest of the front suspension. If your wondering why I have not put part of the suspension back together. It's because I'm slowly stripping it down to remove the beam. Less weight will make it a little easier to remove. Have I done this before? Yes, but it was a Baja bug and I just wheeled the beam out complete with tires and wheels on it.
Some Pic's;
I used this to loosen threads.
Old/new
Little grease on threads to stop rust.
Measure length of rod.(pay no attention to junk in background LOL)
Done
Old/trash
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rbsurfguy Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2008 Posts: 1757 Location: Fairfax, Northern Virginia Formerly Huntington Beach, SoCal
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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Great work Steve, looking forward to seeing your entire front end completed!
Jeff _________________ 1971 Ghia convertible (Body off rebuild)
2019 VW Atlas 4Motion
2012 Passat-Sold
See my build on The Samba at:
Jeff's 71 Vert Restoration/Reassembly http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6...highlight= |
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LVGhia72 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2020 Posts: 282 Location: Lost Wages
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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rbsurfguy wrote: |
Great work Steve, looking forward to seeing your entire front end completed!
Jeff |
Thanks Jeff. Once the front end is done the wiring harness will be next.
Steve |
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rbsurfguy Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2008 Posts: 1757 Location: Fairfax, Northern Virginia Formerly Huntington Beach, SoCal
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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Oh, now that is where the real fun begins!!
Jeff _________________ 1971 Ghia convertible (Body off rebuild)
2019 VW Atlas 4Motion
2012 Passat-Sold
See my build on The Samba at:
Jeff's 71 Vert Restoration/Reassembly http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6...highlight= |
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LVGhia72 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2020 Posts: 282 Location: Lost Wages
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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What's up with this?
Cut and scoring.
Same
With bearing on.
Looks like someone in the past was trying to cutting something off that maybe was stuck on the spindle and messed up? It is also has other cuts and is scored all around. It does not effect the area the bearing rides on. The area the bearing rides on has some scoring and pit marks.
Might be ok for some one on a limited budget. Sorry, not me. I'm replacing the spindles (no drop spindles). I'm also replacing the rotor, wheel bearings, races and backing plates etc.....
FYI
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LVGhia72 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2020 Posts: 282 Location: Lost Wages
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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I'm having some technical difficulties removing the torsion leaf's from the beam. I tried using the torsion arm attached to the leaf's to pull the stack out complete. No go. I then used a block of wood and a hammer to try and push the leaf's out. Some of the half leaf's moved outward. So I decided, I'll just pull them out one by one. I even used a 12lb sledge hammer, pried with a long screw drive etc... No go.
I have all the half leaf's out, but the four full leaf's will only move about a inch back and forth. I've tried everything except heating up the beam in that area.
Any suggestions would be welcomed. Thanks.
Steve
Torsion arms
Leafs that wont move
Half leafs removed
My other concern is if I do get the leaf's out. I'm sure they will be a PITA to install. I forgot to mention the beam has Sway away adjusters. Not that it should matter. But, who knows what PO's do. |
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Ian Godfrey Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2006 Posts: 1137 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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I expect you have looked, but just in case, you need to remove the grub screw from the centre of the beam (part of the adjuster)
Of interest, I had trouble with getting leaves back in an Avis adjuster once, the hole through the adjuster was tight on the wide leaves. so i attached a file to a broom handle then filed the inside of the adjuster a bit, pain in the neck but it worked.
the other trick I got from the Samba was to wrap a couple of layers of celo tape about 1" from the end of the leaves to keep them together. the celo tape breaks as you push the leaves through
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LVGhia72 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2020 Posts: 282 Location: Lost Wages
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:03 am Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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Ian Godfrey wrote: |
I expect you have looked, but just in case, you need to remove the grub screw from the centre of the beam (part of the adjuster)
Of interest, I had trouble with getting leaves back in an Avis adjuster once, the hole through the adjuster was tight on the wide leaves. so i attached a file to a broom handle then filed the inside of the adjuster a bit, pain in the neck but it worked.
the other trick I got from the Samba was to wrap a couple of layers of celo tape about 1" from the end of the leaves to keep them together. the celo tape breaks as you push the leaves through
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Thanks for the reply Ian. Yes, the grub screw is out from the center of the beam/adjuster. I can rotate the adjuster along with the torsion leaf's 360 degrees.
I've done this job before on my 1966 Baja Bug back in the day (1990). The whole stack of leaf's just slid out using attached torsion arm to pull it.
This is what I think is going on. They/who ever welded the adjusters in with the torsion leaf stack already inserted in the adjuster. As they welded the adjuster in, slag from the welds dripped onto the leaf's. How did I come up with this conclusion? There was black electrical tape wrapped on both ends of the leaf stack. If they had pushed the leaf's in through the adjuster one side would not have the tape on it, as the adjuster would of pushed the tape off. So, they inserted the leaf's into the adjuster first. Then, taped the ends and welded it into the beam.
I'll try for a couple more days before I give up. Then I'll try to put the half leaf's back in. The 50 year old leaf's etc... will not get cleaned and lubed. The last thing I want to do is destroy the beam. That's what will happen when I break out the big sledge hammer. Maybe, down the road I'll replace the beam with something better.
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LVGhia72 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2020 Posts: 282 Location: Lost Wages
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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I found the problem/mistake after I pulled the beam out of the car. I hate to admit it but it was another grub screw. I feel like a fool, but I found the problem. I thought the adjuster grub screw was the only screw. There was another grub screw which was 180 degrees out from the adjuster screw. I did not know this and could not see it with the beam in the car. I wanted to use the car as a platform to pull the leaf's out etc... first vs a stand. Then I would use the stand later for clean up, painting etc....
Anyway, now comes the dirty work. Some Pic's;
Beam out.
Beam on jack.
Beam on the stand.
The grub screw's I missed.
Hole for the adjuster grub screw.
Grub screw I missed.
Adjuster grub screw.
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Ian Godfrey Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2006 Posts: 1137 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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I'm glad you solved that, and we have all made our share of mistakes.I'm sure the info will be useful to others in the future.
Ps my biggest boo boo 'so far' was torquing one SPS Carr bolt in my conrod with out the button depressed on the torque wrench....... then I mixed the bolt up with others so I didn't know which one I had overstretched.
it was $600 Australian dollars for 8 new bolts |
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LVGhia72 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2020 Posts: 282 Location: Lost Wages
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:50 am Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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Ian Godfrey wrote: |
I'm glad you solved that, and we have all made our share of mistakes.I'm sure the info will be useful to others in the future.
Ps my biggest boo boo 'so far' was torquing one SPS Carr bolt in my conrod with out the button depressed on the torque wrench....... then I mixed the bolt up with others so I didn't know which one I had overstretched.
it was $600 Australian dollars for 8 new bolts |
Thanks Ian. I was close to giving up on it. I put the half leaf's back into the beam. Then figured all is not lost yet, pull the beam. That's where I found the problem/mistake.
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LVGhia72 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2020 Posts: 282 Location: Lost Wages
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:50 am Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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I pulled both torsion leaf stacks out of the front beam. The parts I ordered are in. I may need a few more. I'm debating whether or not to replace the Micarta bearings. They look good and are made in Germany. My concern is getting good quality one's, also I need a inner bearing puller etc... I also stripped the beam down of all grease and paint. The weather will be turning too cold to paint next week, so I need to get it painted quickly.
I'm also missing the front inspection cover, seal, and bolts. Anyone know the bolt size for the inspection cover?
Some Pic's;
Missing cover/seal/bolts.
Leafs part way out.
Stripped
I used a old closet rod to push out leaf's
Then a smaller broom handle
Leaf's, the brown/red color is rust. Black mess on the left is electrical tape from PO's.
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overboost Samba Member
Joined: June 11, 2021 Posts: 178 Location: Huntersville, NC
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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6mmX1.0 on the inspection cover bolts. 10mm is more than long enough. _________________ The older I get... The faster I was... |
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Ian Godfrey Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2006 Posts: 1137 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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Once you remove the outer bearings, you will be able to 'feel' the clearance on the micarta bushes when you try each trailing arm.
or if you had a bore gauge or snap gauges you could measure them in place.
my experience is only some of them wear due to lack of lubrication, so sometimes I have only had to replace one or none. One time it was the arm the was worn but the bushing was good, much easier to find a new arm |
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LVGhia72 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2020 Posts: 282 Location: Lost Wages
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:55 am Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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overboost wrote: |
6mmX1.0 on the inspection cover bolts. 10mm is more than long enough. |
Thanks again, I appreciate it. |
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LVGhia72 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2020 Posts: 282 Location: Lost Wages
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:58 am Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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Ian Godfrey wrote: |
Once you remove the outer bearings, you will be able to 'feel' the clearance on the micarta bushes when you try each trailing arm.
or if you had a bore gauge or snap gauges you could measure them in place.
my experience is only some of them wear due to lack of lubrication, so sometimes I have only had to replace one or none. One time it was the arm the was worn but the bushing was good, much easier to find a new arm |
I did'nt notice any play in the torsion arms. I will double check them to make sure. Thanks for the info Ian. |
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bobnorman Samba Newfoundlander
Joined: August 09, 2010 Posts: 1389 Location: Newfoundland
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:53 am Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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Lovely car, and great thread. I’m enjoying your approach to jobs, and appreciate all the helpful information. I’ve really come to appreciate the later cars lately, all the Ghias are beautiful when you really look at them. _________________ Air does not freeze. Air does not boil.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=289807 |
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LVGhia72 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2020 Posts: 282 Location: Lost Wages
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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bobnorman wrote: |
Lovely car, and great thread. I’m enjoying your approach to jobs, and appreciate all the helpful information. I’ve really come to appreciate the later cars lately, all the Ghia's are beautiful when you really look at them. |
Thanks, Bob. Yes, all Ghia's have that distinctive body line. I really like the older ones with the small tail lights and handle bar bumpers. I think the best all around year would be the 1969. It has the small tail lights, handle bar bumpers and the IRS suspension. But, all Ghia's are classic no matter the year.
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LVGhia72 Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2020 Posts: 282 Location: Lost Wages
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: My Fat Chick |
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I painted the beam with 3 coats of black epoxy before the bad weather shows up. I also cleaned the rust on the front of the frame head and painted it.
Next, the torsion leaf's and arms to clean up the nasty grease etc..
Grease fittings will be replaced. Used them to cover hole while painting.
Frame head rust
Painted
Steve |
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