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csalwes666 Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2021 Posts: 5 Location: california
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:15 pm Post subject: 69 vw wiring |
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hello guys I have a 69 vw it has a generator it's had wiring done to it, my question is I have a red wire on the + of generator a black wire - of generator and a green wire that looked to be a ground on the body of the generator. when the green wire is hooked up to the body of the generator the car has the generator light on, when I disconnect it it charges also they have a amp gauge hooked up this a fuse when driving above 20 mph the fuse pops and also blows out my headlights any info would help it's driving me nuts thank you |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9756 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: 69 vw wiring |
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See the wiring diagram below,
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ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15982 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: 69 vw wiring |
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Using the above diagram as your guide... find the generator (C) and the voltage regulator (C1) near the bottom half of the diagram. Note the wires running between the two:
D+ (thick red wire) runs from the D+ threaded stud on the generator to the D+ terminal on the VR.
DF (green wire) runs from the DF threaded stud on the generator to the DF terminal on the VR.
D- (brown wire - not shown) runs from the D- screw on the body of the generator near the fan end to the base of the VR so the two share a common ground. The attachment screw on the VR may not be marker but it is clearly an odd screw on the base metal frame of the VR. _________________ AshMan40
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csalwes666 Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2021 Posts: 5 Location: california
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: 69 vw wiring |
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thank you I'll look there as a start, what I don't understand is when you turn the key on the green wire they had as a ground is hot. |
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Starbucket Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2007 Posts: 4025 Location: WA
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: 69 vw wiring |
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The green wire coming from VR61 goes to speedo gen. light not ground. |
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ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15982 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: 69 vw wiring |
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csalwes666 wrote: |
thank you I'll look there as a start, what I don't understand is when you turn the key on the green wire they had as a ground is hot. |
At the VR, if the green wire running to the engine is connected to the DF terminal... it is meant to have a variable voltage. So could have voltage on the wire when measured at the generator end. If it is connected to one of the other terminals it could too.
You need to confirm the correct colored wires are connected between the correct terminals. The green wire should not be connected to the D- screw hole on the body of the generator. The brown D- wire should be connected to this point. The DF wire is typically green.
Since the above OE diagram does not show the D- wire... maybe this pic from Speedy Jim's site will help. Unfortunately, it doesn't show the wire colors.
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'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!} |
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csalwes666 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:48 am Post subject: Re: 69 vw wiring |
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thank you ashman I chased the wires they had the df as the ground on the generator body and the brown wire was on the df terminal it seems to charge at idle now but at sbout1500 rpm the generator light flickers I'm thinking maybe the voltage regulator might be fried. |
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csalwes666 Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2021 Posts: 5 Location: california
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:48 am Post subject: Re: 69 vw wiring |
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thank you ashman I chased the wires they had the df as the ground on the generator body and the brown wire was on the df terminal it seems to charge at idle now but at sbout1500 rpm the generator light flickers I'm thinking maybe the voltage regulator might be fried. |
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ashman40 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:04 am Post subject: Re: 69 vw wiring |
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Not clear from your above description... you found that the wires were running incorrectly. Did you correct the wiring? Did you test the charging system output after correcting the wiring?
Follow Speedy Jim's steps to test your charging system:
http://www.speedyjim.net/htm/gen.htm
Report back your results. _________________ AshMan40
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'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!} |
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csalwes666 Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2021 Posts: 5 Location: california
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:04 am Post subject: Re: 69 vw wiring |
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I did run the wires the way there supposed to be, i was looking at the amp gauge on the dash at idle it is charging when I rev up the engine the amp meter goes to zero and the generator light flickers on and off. I will put a meter on it today. |
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ashman40 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: 69 vw wiring |
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csalwes666 wrote: |
I did run the wires the way there supposed to be, i was looking at the amp gauge on the dash at idle it is charging when I rev up the engine the amp meter goes to zero and the generator light flickers on and off. |
This will depend on where you have placed the amp meter. Current flow thru the meter is what the meter is displaying. Where do you have the amp meter installed? A common place is on the wire coming off the battery to the VR. This measures current flow in and out from the battery to the electrical system.
If connected on the output of the battery, with the engine OFF, turn the headlights ON and you should see the amp meter indicating current flowing OUT from the battery. Is this shown as + or -?
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I will put a meter on it today. |
Take voltage readings at the following four locations when the engine is running with a raised RPM; at idle when the GEN lamp glows and when the engine is OFF:
At the battery posts.
At the VR B+ terminal
At the VR #61 (GEN lamp) terminal
At the fuse box fuse for the turn signals (ignition switch powered)
Report back your measurements. _________________ AshMan40
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'67 Beetle #1 {project car that never made it to the road }
'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!} |
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