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LAGrunthaner
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 Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:59 am Post subject: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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I was helping my brother-in-law start his newly purchased Ariens 5524 snow blower purchased from a neighbor and saw no carburetor air filter. We had no problem starting it once the shutoff key was attached properly but I saw no air filter isn't that odd?
This video shows the same model and I don't see an air filter in this video either.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:48 am Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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| My experience with your type of snow blower is that they don't have an air cleaner. I think it has something to do with all the moisture present when you actually use it. The filter would plug up rather quickly. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:02 am Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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It’s the cost benefit ratio Linda
A 2 liter car engine will go 15000 miles between filter changes , or about 3000 hours of operation. A 200 cc lawn mower engine will filter 1/10 the air so equivalent of 3000 hours of operation.
That’s about 100 years of homeowner operation
A commercial unit will have an air filter
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jspbtown
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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I have been using those HS50 (5hp Tecumseh) engines for several minibike projects lately and no...they do not come with an air cleaner.
There are air cleaners that do attach to the carb but they would interfere with the choke mechanism and would require re-working things |
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:47 am Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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| Abscate wrote: |
It’s the cost benefit ratio Linda
A 2 liter car engine will go 15000 miles between filter changes, twice before you throw it away |
fixed it for you
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LAGrunthaner
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:47 am Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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Wow very interesting. Thanks a ton!
I really like this snow blower with a plug in start. I'm going to start shopping for one for myself now.
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| My experience with your type of snow blower is that they don't have an air cleaner. I think it has something to do with all the moisture present when you actually use it. The filter would plug up rather quickly. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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Should be no dust or dirt in the snow, notice also the carb is getting
warm air from around the muffler. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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| LAGrunthaner wrote: |
Wow very interesting. Thanks a ton!
I really like this snow blower with a plug in start. I'm going to start shopping for one for myself now.
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Before you decide, you should really look at the Toro 724 QXE.
https://www.snowblowers.net/snowmaster-724-qxe-rev...20operate.
Don't be fooled by the small size. For 30+ years, I've always bought the largest and strongest snow blower I could afford. I live in Vermont and we get more snow than I like. I read about this snow blower 4 years ago and thought it couldn't do what I need but the reviews were amazing so I went and tried one out. I've had it for 4 years now. Best purchase I ever made. It's easy to handle, and no messing around with changing speeds. It's auto sense drive will go as fast or as slow as you go. It's a great design. I can clear my driveway in half the time that I used to and it throws just as far. I've put this little thing through all the tests and it's a beast. Bonus is that it's small so it takes up less space when stored for the summer. Toro also makes the 824 QXE which is the same machine with a slightly larger motor, but I think the 724 does just fine. There are some great Youtube videos showing this little snow blower in action.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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I can do up to a foot with a corded Greenworks electric
A major dump of 18 inches or more and I crank up the Ariens
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:58 am Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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The Snowmaster 724 is showing as discontinued......I just bought a lightly used Ariens from my neighbor for $200 but bummer for whoever was looking for it.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:08 am Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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I just fueled and fired up my old Ariel’s yesterday. No safeties, no deadman switches, clutch will let you run it down the road hands free.
Back when men were men and we had only 8 fingers
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:55 am Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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| LAGrunthaner wrote: |
Wow very interesting. Thanks a ton!
I really like this snow blower with a plug in start. I'm going to start shopping for one for myself now.
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Before you decide, you should really look at the Toro 724 QXE.
https://www.snowblowers.net/snowmaster-724-qxe-rev...20operate.
Don't be fooled by the small size. For 30+ years, I've always bought the largest and strongest snow blower I could afford. I live in Vermont and we get more snow than I like. I read about this snow blower 4 years ago and thought it couldn't do what I need but the reviews were amazing so I went and tried one out. I've had it for 4 years now. Best purchase I ever made. It's easy to handle, and no messing around with changing speeds. It's auto sense drive will go as fast or as slow as you go. It's a great design. I can clear my driveway in half the time that I used to and it throws just as far. I've put this little thing through all the tests and it's a beast. Bonus is that it's small so it takes up less space when stored for the summer. Toro also makes the 824 QXE which is the same machine with a slightly larger motor, but I think the 724 does just fine. There are some great Youtube videos showing this little snow blower in action. |
I have an older smaller similar version of this Toro that was given to me brand new. I have had zero complaints even when i lived up north jersey and we actually got snow. Living now in central jersey i have barely had to use it and i hope it stays that way
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:34 am Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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| The Snowmaster 724 is showing as discontinued......I just bought a lightly used Ariens from my neighbor for $200 but bummer for whoever was looking for it. |
Actually, it's still in in production under a new name, Toro 724 ZXR, with a few minor modifications, and a higher price! Of course!
It is basically the same machine and it's a bullet proof snow blower. The older model had a terrific joy stick shut control that works great and is very accurate and fast. I can move the shut from full left to full right and full up or full down - on the fly in literally a second. Unfortunately, that feature has been replaced with a slow manual control. The other change is it no longer has an electric start feature, which is no big deal. It's totally unnecessary as this thing always starts on the first pull and a child can start it. I've never used the electric start.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:47 am Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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I like my 48" snow thrower attachment to my 25 year old Craftsman lawn tractor.
Sure its heavy, is a pain to swap over in the spring and fall, and goes through belts but its nice to just sit down and let the machine do the work. Plus at 48" wide its like 3 passes along my 150 foot driveway. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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Snowblowers, like motor boats, do not need air filters. Think about it.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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Should be no dust or dirt in the snow, notice also the carb is getting
warm air from around the muffler. |
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I've yet to be in a dusty snowfall.
Any dirt at the bottom of snow is either ice or mud.
Not having a filter is a non concern.
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| Snowblowers, like motor boats, do not need air filters. Think about it. |
Looks like there are at least 3 guys here that know where the bears poop in the buckbrush! 
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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I've yet to be in a dusty snowfall.
Any dirt at the bottom of snow is either ice or mud.
Not having a filter is a non concern.
Dave |
Did you know every snowflake forms around a dust particle? So, every snowfall, is in fact, a dustfall.
You need a KN filter on every gas engine. I can sell you the Special KN oil too.
Is it ethical to charge a customer for waste oil disposal while Im charging them for the KN oil at the same time? Plus Shop supplies??
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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I live in the L.A. basin. What is this "snowblower" of which you speak? Air filters? That's different--I need one just to breathe...  |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Snow blower without a carburetor air filter? |
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| Looks like there are at least 3 guys here that know where the bears poop in the buckbrush! |
Ha! Everybody knows that bears don't shit in the woods. . . they shit on the road and kick it in!
I've worked on a LOT of snow blowers during my various stints as a mechanic, especially during my time as a small engine mechanic in Alaska, and I've yet to see one that had an air filter. Part of the reason is, as mentioned above, that they aren't really essential in this application. But the main reason is that nothing clogs an air filter faster than powdered snow. Have you ever seen that show Ice Road Truckers? They keep two air filters in their rigs- one on the engine, and a second one inside the cab where it's warm and dry so they can swap it out when the snow clogs the first one.
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