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Don66bus Samba Member
Joined: January 11, 2006 Posts: 401
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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No one has yet complained that the metal bus body for sale, labelled 1956 - 60:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2510609
somehow lacks corner windows. I wonder if it is because that curved glass would be difficult to find. I do like the bigger window in the back hatch for visibility.
When I junked this 15 window years ago, I removed the corner windows and brought them back to the VW dealer in hopes someone could use them. That was in 1978 before the internet and before even the SOTO publication. They just seemed too unique to go to a wrecking yard.
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ozark23 Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 155 Location: Oklahoma
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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"When I junked this 15 window years ago"
Can we just think on this for a minute......."When I junked this 15 window years ago,"
Times have changed! |
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Braukuche Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 10965
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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It’s bizarre. Why not just market it as as 1964-67 21 window? _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
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mandraks Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7045 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Braukuche wrote: |
It’s bizarre. Why not just market it as as 1964-67 21 window? |
it is a high hinge small hatch body with 21 windows..... small hatch buses would all be 23 windows, and a 21 windows would be a wide hatch low hinge bus. yes, it is bizarre. _________________ regards
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LAGrunthaner Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2007 Posts: 5501 Location: 1st Coast
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:12 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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That small hatch on a 21 looks like someone didn't do their homework
I wonder what else is wrong at 35K.
Don66bus wrote: |
No one has yet complained that the metal bus body for sale, labelled 1956 - 60:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2510609
somehow lacks corner windows. I wonder if it is because that curved glass would be difficult to find. I do like the bigger window in the back hatch for visibility.
When I junked this 15 window years ago, I removed the corner windows and brought them back to the VW dealer in hopes someone could use them. That was in 1978 before the internet and before even the SOTO publication. They just seemed too unique to go to a wrecking yard.
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Braukuche Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 10965
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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mandraks wrote: |
Braukuche wrote: |
It’s bizarre. Why not just market it as as 1964-67 21 window? |
it is a high hinge small hatch body with 21 windows..... small hatch buses would all be 23 windows, and a 21 windows would be a wide hatch low hinge bus. yes, it is bizarre. |
Yeah I see it now.
Guess it would be easy enough to cut in corner windows. Maybe they just haven’t gotten around to making the frames like someone else suggested. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now
1973 Ghia convertible |
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Lind Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2000 Posts: 9905 Location: idaho
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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LAGrunthaner wrote: |
That small hatch on a 21 looks like someone didn't do their homework
I wonder what else is wrong at 35K.
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They are trying to sell a trademarked product on the internet for all to see and find. Maybe their lawyers can argue that the lack of corner windows makes it different enough, maybe VWs lawyers will bankrupt them in the process. Either way, they are playing with fire trying to sell a complete body shell like that. _________________ .
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BulletBus Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2005 Posts: 1276 Location: Panama City Beach
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Lind wrote: |
LAGrunthaner wrote: |
That small hatch on a 21 looks like someone didn't do their homework
I wonder what else is wrong at 35K.
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They are trying to sell a trademarked product on the internet for all to see and find. Maybe their lawyers can argue that the lack of corner windows makes it different enough, maybe VWs lawyers will bankrupt them in the process. Either way, they are playing with fire trying to sell a complete body shell like that. |
I'm not sure what the difference is in that and a complete 356 you can buy except one is fiberglass and one is metal. Not to mention you can buy all the parts to make a green metal barndoor. _________________ 53 Hatch Barndoor
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Lind Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2000 Posts: 9905 Location: idaho
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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BulletBus wrote: |
Lind wrote: |
LAGrunthaner wrote: |
That small hatch on a 21 looks like someone didn't do their homework
I wonder what else is wrong at 35K.
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They are trying to sell a trademarked product on the internet for all to see and find. Maybe their lawyers can argue that the lack of corner windows makes it different enough, maybe VWs lawyers will bankrupt them in the process. Either way, they are playing with fire trying to sell a complete body shell like that. |
I'm not sure what the difference is in that and a complete 356 you can buy except one is fiberglass and one is metal. Not to mention you can buy all the parts to make a green metal barndoor. |
Every vehicle that VW has ever produced is three dimensionally trademarked, and they have a legal department that actively looks on the internet for trademark infringements. _________________ .
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BulletBus Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2005 Posts: 1276 Location: Panama City Beach
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Lind wrote: |
BulletBus wrote: |
Lind wrote: |
LAGrunthaner wrote: |
That small hatch on a 21 looks like someone didn't do their homework
I wonder what else is wrong at 35K.
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They are trying to sell a trademarked product on the internet for all to see and find. Maybe their lawyers can argue that the lack of corner windows makes it different enough, maybe VWs lawyers will bankrupt them in the process. Either way, they are playing with fire trying to sell a complete body shell like that. |
I'm not sure what the difference is in that and a complete 356 you can buy except one is fiberglass and one is metal. Not to mention you can buy all the parts to make a green metal barndoor. |
Every vehicle that VW has ever produced is three dimensionally trademarked, and they have a legal department that actively looks on the internet for trademark infringements. |
That's interesting. I'm curios to see how this plays out. _________________ 53 Hatch Barndoor
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mandraks Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7045 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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while i get the whole trademark thing, these buses have not been sold since 1967. can't imagine VW is losing any money.
I personally see this as a very large spare part. then again i am not a lawyer.
You can buy complete 67 mustang bodies, camaros, chevelles, 78 firebirds, 3100 chevy pickups, complete bodys for jeeps, Toyota FJs, etc. officially licensed, too. _________________ regards
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obus Samba Member
Joined: March 08, 2001 Posts: 11040 Location: just off Garden State Parkway Exit 81
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Lind Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2000 Posts: 9905 Location: idaho
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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mandraks wrote: |
while i get the whole trademark thing, these buses have not been sold since 1967. can't imagine VW is losing any money.
I personally see this as a very large spare part. then again i am not a lawyer.
You can buy complete 67 mustang bodies, camaros, chevelles, 78 firebirds, 3100 chevy pickups, complete bodys for jeeps, Toyota FJs, etc. officially licensed, too. |
1975 in Brazil, but still over 45 years ago.
It seems to me like they should license it like many other car companies are doing. It is like free money for them, and it's not like there are going to be many less buses out there by them enforcing their trademarks, it will just be more expensive and inconvenient for the people who are making them. I think that they can apparently get around the trademark issues by selling them 90% or so assembled. _________________ .
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'64cal lookdub 1200 Deluxe
Joined: May 29, 2004 Posts: 1714 Location: TX
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Just another reason I don’t care much for 21/23 Deluxes. Way more around now than ever produced, I’ve always thought they’re overrated. I’d much rather have a sunroof Standard, SWR Kombi, 15 window... I’m sure millions would disagree. |
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mandraks Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7045 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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'64cal lookdub wrote: |
Just another reason I don’t care much for 21/23 Deluxes. Way more around now than ever produced, I’ve always thought they’re overrated. I’d much rather have a sunroof Standard, SWR Kombi, 15 window... I’m sure millions would disagree. |
let them. sell me a crewcab, or a walkthrough panel, or narrow hatch kombi, 15 window, dormobile westy, something cool rather than shiny. _________________ regards
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Ohio_Style Samba Member
Joined: July 09, 2007 Posts: 610 Location: You'll never leave Sparta alive, Ohio
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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mandraks wrote: |
while i get the whole trademark thing, these buses have not been sold since 1967. can't imagine VW is losing any money.
I personally see this as a very large spare part. then again i am not a lawyer.
You can buy complete 67 mustang bodies, camaros, chevelles, 78 firebirds, 3100 chevy pickups, complete bodys for jeeps, Toyota FJs, etc. officially licensed, too. |
I've received intellectual property complaints from VW for selling bus silhouette shaped key hangers. No emblems, no words, nothing, just a 7" wide outline of a bus. _________________ Matt Johnson
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9278729#9278729
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=738403 |
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mandraks Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7045 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Ohio_Style wrote: |
mandraks wrote: |
while i get the whole trademark thing, these buses have not been sold since 1967. can't imagine VW is losing any money.
I personally see this as a very large spare part. then again i am not a lawyer.
You can buy complete 67 mustang bodies, camaros, chevelles, 78 firebirds, 3100 chevy pickups, complete bodys for jeeps, Toyota FJs, etc. officially licensed, too. |
I've received intellectual property complaints from VW for selling bus silhouette shaped key hangers. No emblems, no words, nothing, just a 7" wide outline of a bus. |
i am not suggesting that they stopped or will stop, but licensing is possible. Just needs to be negotiated, by lawyers. So it has to make financial sense to both sides.
It is legal in the US to sell licensed reproduction bodies and make cars and sell them and drive them. _________________ regards
Uli
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AlteWagen Troll
Joined: February 23, 2007 Posts: 8498 Location: PNW
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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LAGrunthaner wrote: |
That small hatch on a 21 looks like someone didn't do their homework
I wonder what else is wrong at 35K.
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The facebook post mentioned the complete corner window panels will be available soon, since they were not available at the time of build they used what was.
I would rather have them honor their original advertising for complete single cab bodies for $15K. Home made BINZ anyone?! _________________ Grapes of Wrath $200 Engine Rebuild
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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3776 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Braukuche Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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No slats, no bows, no canopy, no way. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now
1973 Ghia convertible |
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