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Envious
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 Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:28 pm Post subject: 53 Zwitter dual circuit MC upgrade |
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Can anybody recommend a dual circuit master cylinder for a 53 running drums on all 4 corners?
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ZENVWDRIVER
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: 53 Zwitter dual circuit MC upgrade |
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I can't - always ran the single on my 11/52 - Z
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Envious
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: 53 Zwitter dual circuit MC upgrade |
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| ZENVWDRIVER wrote: |
| I can't - always ran the single on my 11/52 - Z |
What prevented you from running a dual circuit MC?
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rod_vw
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:19 am Post subject: Re: 53 Zwitter dual circuit MC upgrade |
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Mine is quad circuit...
A cable for each drum!
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ZENVWDRIVER
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:16 am Post subject: Re: 53 Zwitter dual circuit MC upgrade |
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| Envious wrote: |
| ZENVWDRIVER wrote: |
| I can't - always ran the single on my 11/52 - Z |
What prevented you from running a dual circuit MC? |
dual circuit is more expensive, a stock-single just bolts right in and I guess i'm not paranoid about brake failure - a good German single circuit lasted over 20 years and when it began leaking, I replaced it - z
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8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
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cory464
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:52 am Post subject: Re: 53 Zwitter dual circuit MC upgrade |
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| does a later dual circuit master not bolt in? i assumed it would. it is worth it to go dual circuit. brake lines will fail, especially on cars not driven frequently. its cheap insurance. |
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splitjunkie
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:31 am Post subject: Re: 53 Zwitter dual circuit MC upgrade |
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You just need a '67 -'77 beetle MC.
https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/wolfsburg_new/brakes/bug_brake/master_cylinder.cfm
It will bolt in. The biggest challenge is the fluid reservoir. Most people use a dual reservoir but this requires you to pull the drivers side wheel to add fluid because the cap is directly on the reservoir.
It is absolutely worth it. If a single fails, you lose all of your brakes. With a double you will have either your fronts or rears depending on what failed. Sometimes a MC will fail catastrophically, sometimes it is a gradual failure. It's a roll of the dice.
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ZENVWDRIVER
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:20 am Post subject: Re: 53 Zwitter dual circuit MC upgrade |
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| splitjunkie wrote: |
You just need a '67 -'77 beetle MC.
https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/wolfsburg_new/brakes/bug_brake/master_cylinder.cfm
It will bolt in. The biggest challenge is the fluid reservoir. Most people use a dual reservoir but this requires you to pull the drivers side wheel to add fluid because the cap is directly on the reservoir.
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A Volvo 240 reservoir will mount on a '67 and later brazilian VW dual circuit master cylinder. A Rabbit version is required for a german ATE VW master cylinder.
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It is absolutely worth it. If a single fails, you lose all of your brakes. With a double you will have either your fronts or rears depending on what failed. Sometimes a MC will fail catastrophically, sometimes it is a gradual failure. It's a roll of the dice. |
"absolutely"? - a single can catastrophically fail (which rarely happens) - guess this just doesn't concern me - if it concerns you - fine - put a double in...
of coarse it will "bolt right in" - that's not what I meant - my poor choice of words - Meant, it will bolt right in, ready to connect, bleed and use, without challenges - most of all, i'm not paranoid, in the possible event brake failure, with use of a single circuit MC -
Also, kind of humorous that you guys balk at others installing non-original parts, like bigger and brighter tail lights - yet a 1967 to '77 MC is okay - Go ahead, use the later MC and I hope you feel safer … COOL- z
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8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
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Notch_Norway
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: 53 Zwitter dual circuit MC upgrade |
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Im also going dual, but im also switching to 58-64 drums as its wider and therefore gives alot more braking power.
You can buy a mastercylinder with a reservoir on it and use the original one as a dummy. Looks original that way.
Also its alot cheaper to replace a part with the 58-64 drums. |
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consvws
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:05 am Post subject: Re: 53 Zwitter dual circuit MC upgrade |
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| If you use a single circuit MC just make sure you get a good quality German one. I've had 2 brand new Trw units that were bad right outta the box, both purchased from WW |
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