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Phydous Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:20 pm Post subject: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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This car is going to drive me insane. I love it, but I don't' know if I can trust it...
After successfully replacing my dead fuel pump I went for a test drive. I had driven my car for all of about 15 minutes when I heard a loud POP! The engine immediately died and I coasted to the side of the road. When I checked the engine, I found that the distributor cap had a huge hole in it, and was cracked basically in half. The cap inside was destroyed, and about a third of the magnetic pickup was split off. This is what I found:
What the heck happened?
I now need to order a new Billet Distributor (I think anyway) but I'm just scratching my head about what would have caused this...
Any ideas?
And while we're at it, any suggestions on what a good replacement would be? (I'm just starting to research.,,)
My car is out of commission until I fix it, and that's no good. I really like driving this car! |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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Well basically it blew up.
I guess a few things could cause it. Something broke/came apart or maybe a buildup of fumes was just right and it thought it was a cylinder.
I've never seen one come apart like that so I'll guess it was a mini bomb. Is there a vent? |
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mukluk Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2012 Posts: 7028 Location: Clyde, TX
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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The rotor should have been attached to the distributor shaft with two small screws -- yours appear to be missing. _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:42 am Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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mukluk wrote: |
The rotor should have been attached to the distributor shaft with two small screws -- yours appear to be missing. |
This is my thought as well. I have never seen a distributor cap explode. Wow!
If the distributor is truly mag pic-up. Clones can be found on eBay for about $100. Don't buy the cheapest and you really don't have to buy the most expensive either.
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tasb The Distributor Distributor
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 6371 Location: Pentwater, Michigan
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:15 am Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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I’ve seen several Distributors explode like that in twenty plus years of working on distributors. The jumping spark from points creates ozone which is flammable. It’s for this reason that distributors do have a vent system built into them. In your case with no spark it’s a different cause. _________________ Roads Scholar &
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adventurebob Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:50 am Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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Ozone is NOT flammable. Ozone CAN be an oxidizer (in very controlled conditions) but would need a fuel source to combine with to cause an fire/explosion. I cant think of anything inside a distributor that would be a fuel source to combine with O3 that would cause an explosion.
There appear to be impact marks on the inside of the cap, which would seem to indicate something either came loose or broke and beat the cap and rotor into submission. |
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Lingwendil Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 3988 Location: Antioch, California, a block from the hood
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Bonesberg55 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:54 am Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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Loose distributor shaft due to worn bushings or the shaft itself. Perhaps there was no lubrication to the shaft. |
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mukluk Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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Look closely. What's missing here?
Here's a clue:
Another clue:
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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Yes, the missing screws was already pointed out. _________________ Glenn
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mukluk Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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Glenn wrote: |
Yes, the missing screws was already pointed out. |
I know they were, because I was the one who pointed them out. Figured it'd be useful to add some pictures for the visual learners. _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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heimlich VWNOS.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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The rotor put on loosely can cause this. It can be serious if the rotor gets stuck in between the shaft and something else as it can bend the shaft. It's rare but it's something I look out for in distributors. After you find the issue and get back up and running you should check all firing points to make sure they are equidistant from one another. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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heimlich wrote: |
The rotor put on loosely can cause this. |
On this distributor the rotor is held on with 2 machine screws. _________________ Glenn
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Frank Bassman Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2012 Posts: 894 Location: Miami
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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Does this dist exist with vacuum advance? This seems like a perfect candidate to use with a GM HEI mounted remotely... and is adjustable.
Looks to be a real deal mag pickup dist.
-Frank |
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Phydous Samba Member
Joined: May 23, 2016 Posts: 71
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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mukluk wrote: |
The rotor should have been attached to the distributor shaft with two small screws -- yours appear to be missing. |
Thanks everyone for your responses. When I removed the old distributor, it was just full of pieces parts. And there was only one screw, which was jammed under the spinning copper wheel thingy. So I'm betting you guys are right... One or both of the screws came loose and then just did a high-speed blender routine until the cap blew apart. I dumped it all in a box:
I ordered the ebay item that 67rustavenger recommended. I don't know if they actually sent me the same part as advertised because this one is a TSP Red Cap VW Pro Series Pro Billet Distributor JM7650R and not the MAXX 66541R Billet Electronic Distributor that is listed. I'm not too picky though as long as it works.
Anyway, after a swearing bout trying to get little O-rings on the shaft to fit down inside the block, a little research to see why it sounded like $hit when I started it, then correcting my ID10T error by putting the the plug wires on correctly this time, she started right up!
Seems to be running well now. I went for a test drive and fingers/eye/toes crossed, it ran really good. Tomorrow if the weather is nice I'll go for a longer drive to see how it goes.
Thanks again to everyone here... the help is greatly appreciated! |
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Mikedrevguy Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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So, this is what happens when a MagnaSpark implodes
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67rustavenger Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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Nice to hear the eBay clone worked out for ya. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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tasb The Distributor Distributor
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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adventurebob wrote: |
Ozone is NOT flammable. Ozone CAN be an oxidizer (in very controlled conditions) but would need a fuel source to combine with to cause an fire/explosion. I cant think of anything inside a distributor that would be a fuel source to combine with O3 that would cause an explosion.
There appear to be impact marks on the inside of the cap, which would seem to indicate something either came loose or broke and beat the cap and rotor into submission. |
Ive seen diagrams that call out the little vents on the bottom side of distributor housings ozone vents. Someone figured out that those vents are necessary. Sometimes you see factory holes in the caps. If ozone is not flammable why does the vent exist?
ok Ozone is not flammable BUT it reacts more substantially than ordinary oxygen when something is burning- or sparking making it a fire hazard that needs to be vented so my original statement still stands.
A spark occurs at a very rapid rate inside a distributor, seems like a source of ignition for both an engine or a fire. There should be grease and could be oil inside a distributor. _________________ Roads Scholar &
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Phydous Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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Phydous wrote: |
Tomorrow if the weather is nice I'll go for a longer drive to see how it goes. |
Sorry for the self quote here, but I did go for about 45 min around the local neighborhood and staying close to home jic. So far so good. Seems to be running okay.
Honestly, being at this point is such a huge milestone for me. That car sat in the same spot for a LONG time while I fiddled with suspension, wheels, brakes, lights, electrical, engine swap, new seat install, some body work, etc. all the while I kept telling my wife "I can't WAIT to drive it!" So now I can drive it (on good days) and it feels. so. awesome. I still have a long way to go with things I want to do, like sound deadening, new interior, rubber seals, exterior paint, audio system, etc. but being able to drive is so sweet.
I've wanted to participate in the "Take a picture of your VW next to a ..." thread for years, so one of these days I'll be there!
Thanks again for all of your help!
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stagewex Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:55 am Post subject: Re: MSD Billet Distributor Disintegration |
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I'm more of a "keep-it-stock" guy but your Bug looks really nice.
Screams the word Fun just parked.
Enjoy. |
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