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nextgen Samba Member
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Chickensoup Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Jake Raby recent video --- T-4 2.0 vs 1.7 and 1.8 |
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he has tons of videos on the T4 FB group. Quite a but of good stuff but the guy makes me fall asleep. _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
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nextgen Samba Member
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bugguy1967 Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2008 Posts: 4338 Location: Los Angeles, CA 90016
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: Jake Raby recent video --- T-4 2.0 vs 1.7 and 1.8 |
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Yeah. The material between the cylinders is thinner on the 2.0 cases. _________________ "A petrol engine can start readily, run smoothly and give every appearance of being in good order, without necessarily being in good tune." - Colin Campbell, "The Sportscar Engine" |
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RalphWiggam Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:58 am Post subject: Re: Jake Raby recent video --- T-4 2.0 vs 1.7 and 1.8 |
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Good video. I like the rear main seal oil passage idea. |
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nextgen Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 6008 Location: CONGERS, N.Y.
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Vanapplebomb Samba Member
Joined: November 03, 2010 Posts: 5389 Location: Holland, MI
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Jake Raby recent video --- T-4 2.0 vs 1.7 and 1.8 |
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I should just note, that it is not all 1.7 cases that have the meat between the cylinder. It seems to be more production date related. For example, by the time the T4 was adapted (in my opinion…ruined) for use in the bus, the CB 1.7 cases had the material removed between the cylinders. It appears to me that only the earlier (before being adapted to the bus) 1.7 cases from the 411 / 914 had this material in place. _________________ 1800 Type 4 Berrien 295
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nextgen Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 6008 Location: CONGERS, N.Y.
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Chickensoup Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Jake Raby recent video --- T-4 2.0 vs 1.7 and 1.8 |
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nextgen wrote: |
Lucky I got the 914 1.7 case with the dipstick in the VW Bug location.
It is amazing how many years we have put these engines under a microscope and we still find something to talk about. |
kind of... The info is out there, just not known by many due to the fact T1's are more popular. _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
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nextgen Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 6008 Location: CONGERS, N.Y.
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: Jake Raby recent video --- T-4 2.0 vs 1.7 and 1.8 |
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I totally agree, that is the reason why when guys were trying to explain the benefits of the T-4, the only news was bad news about the 2 ton buses blowing engines and no one knew anything about them.
At the same time the guys in Europe putting them in bugs and the Kaffa Cup races were amazing with T-4 engines. Even the major magazines wrote little about them. Every thing was T-1. _________________ email: [email protected]
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Alstrup Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2007 Posts: 7182 Location: Videbaek Denmark
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Jake Raby recent video --- T-4 2.0 vs 1.7 and 1.8 |
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nextgen wrote: |
I totally agree, that is the reason why when guys were trying to explain the benefits of the T-4, the only news was bad news about the 2 ton buses blowing engines and no one knew anything about them.
At the same time the guys in Europe putting them in bugs and the Käfer Cup races were amazing with T-4 engines. Even the major magazines wrote little about them. Every thing was T-1. |
Corrected it for ya. That other word means something totally different. _________________ https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=435993 |
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Jake Raby Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2003 Posts: 7433 Location: Aircooled Heaven USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: Jake Raby recent video --- T-4 2.0 vs 1.7 and 1.8 |
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Quite a but of good stuff but the guy makes me fall asleep. |
Because it's not meant to be entertaining. _________________ Jake Raby
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nextgen Samba Member
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Jake Raby Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2003 Posts: 7433 Location: Aircooled Heaven USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Jake Raby recent video --- T-4 2.0 vs 1.7 and 1.8 |
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nextgen wrote: |
See, Jake I still get you in Trouble. I posted your video, thanks!
You, Joe of Oregon Performance and i, could look back and feel good we did a good job back in the early 90's bringing the advantages of the T-4 to the T-1 unbelievers .
Never do I hear, the T-4 engine is only good for boat anchors.
Too much evidence to the contrary !!! |
It was a long, hard fight. It isn't over yet. _________________ Jake Raby
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:24 am Post subject: Re: Jake Raby recent video --- T-4 2.0 vs 1.7 and 1.8 |
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lol yall be acting like a group of SJW's
I think T4's are less popular because,
A. Harder to find than T1's
B. LOTS more $ to buy and build a performance example. Even stock.
C. Only a direct fit to buses, porsches, and 411/412's.
D. Less aftermarket
E. Im guessing less were made as compared to late model T1's. Not sure tho.
Ive yet to see anyone state that T1's are better. Because theyre not. However, T4's just arent a reasonable choice for the average joe with average skills. _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
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H2OSB Samba Member
Joined: April 14, 2013 Posts: 1282 Location: Modesto, CA
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:40 am Post subject: Re: Jake Raby recent video --- T-4 2.0 vs 1.7 and 1.8 |
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Chickensoup wrote: |
lol yall be acting like a group of SJW's
I think T4's are less popular because,
A. Harder to find than T1's
B. LOTS more $ to buy and build a performance example. Even stock.
C. Only a direct fit to buses, porsches, and 411/412's.
D. Less aftermarket
E. Im guessing less were made as compared to late model T1's. Not sure tho.
Ive yet to see anyone state that T1's are better. Because theyre not. However, T4's just arent a reasonable choice for the average joe with average skills. |
I mean no offense, but if you get Joe's book, you'll see it's really not all that difficult, at least not now, thanks to Joe's leg work. Jake is an example of someone who has worked to explore the extremes of the T4 and builds true performance engines that retain the longevity inherent in the T4 platform, and all of his experimentation is backed up by countless dyno runs. When someone uses a dyno to back up what they say, like Jake or Torbin, it's difficult to argue with their results.
I know the T1 can make tons of power, but to me, it becomes far more high strung than an equivalent T4, and simply cannot live as long. It's like buying 2 or 3 screw drivers at the autoparts store vs buying a high quality tool (not the greatest example in this day and age...but you get the idea). Also, it is possible to adapt the T4 relatively easily to, say, a Ghia or Beetle, and it will fit easily in those respective engine compartments.
H2OSB _________________ (o\_i_/o) I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants. |
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Chickensoup Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Jake Raby recent video --- T-4 2.0 vs 1.7 and 1.8 |
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Please, Let me rephrase,
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Ive yet to see anyone state that T1's are better. Because theyre not. |
The Average cheap ass vw enthusiast doesnt know a hammer from a socket wrench. _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
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H2OSB Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Jake Raby recent video --- T-4 2.0 vs 1.7 and 1.8 |
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Chickensoup wrote: |
Please, Let me rephrase,
Chickensoup wrote: |
Ive yet to see anyone state that T1's are better. Because theyre not. |
The Average cheap ass vw enthusiast doesnt know a hammer from a socket wrench. |
I can't argue with that. That said, even a properly build T1 is out of the realm of the people you're referring to.
H2OSB _________________ (o\_i_/o) I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76760 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Jake Raby recent video --- T-4 2.0 vs 1.7 and 1.8 |
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Chickensoup wrote: |
Please, Let me rephrase,
Chickensoup wrote: |
Ive yet to see anyone state that T1's are better. Because theyre not. |
The Average cheap ass vw enthusiast doesnt know a hammer from a socket wrench. |
Or a Pat Downs/Jake Raby built engine from a GEX. _________________ Glenn
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vwinnovator Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 1555 Location: Still doing it in the back of your VW
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:58 am Post subject: Re: Jake Raby recent video --- T-4 2.0 vs 1.7 and 1.8 |
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I say pat and jake should have an engine build off.
Set a price limit of about $15K
type 1 build vs. type IV
highest horse power/ torque and a 100 mile drive with 45-50mph avg speed and then an hr drive in city traffic.
no changes to engines between dyno and drives.
winner gets the other guy's engine
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