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airschooled
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 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:12 pm Post subject: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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Hi all,
I've recently acquired a nice 294 shift fork jig, and I'd like to know if it works for late model IRS T1 transaxles. I know it works for swing axle bug and bus, but will I be able to use it on an IRS box? (I know it does not fit my bay bus gear carriers, that requires 294a or 294b.)
Thanks in advance!
Robbie
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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| The 294 is made to be used with the earlier 4 bolt pinion bearing. Technically you could build an IRS with that style of case, but the factory VW late IRS transaxles used the larger bearing with the single nut. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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So I need 294a or 294b to build a stock IRS Type 1 box? 😯
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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| airschooled wrote: |
| So I need 294a or 294b to build a stock IRS Type 1 box? 😯 |
Yes
A 294 jig is handy to have since the Rhino/Autocraft cases use a 4 bolt pinion. |
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airschooled
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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Thank you so much.
For sale, 294! 🤪 But seriously, thanks; I would not have discovered the new case compatibility otherwise.
For my next trick, I’ll ask if my cut-up 002 bus “jig” will work for 091 shift fork setting?
Robbie
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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| airschooled wrote: |
For my next trick, I’ll ask if my cut-up 002 bus “jig” will work for 091 shift fork setting?
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It will, but an issue you will run into is the 091 reverse gear has a finer splined shaft it slides on than the 002 gears. You can simply get an 091 shaft, and swap them back, and forth though.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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100% appreciated, thanks. I read that part of Rick Long’s CD today disassembling my first 091, not considering the setting of reverse… Makes totall sense.
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Deweyoop2
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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| So I need 294a or 294b to build a stock IRS Type 1 box? 😯 |
Yes
A 294 jig is handy to have since the Rhino/Autocraft cases use a 4 bolt pinion. |
What’s the difference between Vw 294A and 294B? |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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| Deweyoop2 wrote: |
| [email protected] wrote: |
| airschooled wrote: |
| So I need 294a or 294b to build a stock IRS Type 1 box? 😯 |
Yes
A 294 jig is handy to have since the Rhino/Autocraft cases use a 4 bolt pinion. |
What’s the difference between Vw 294A and 294B? |
Its my understanding the 294A was created to work with the oddball one year only 68 Type 2 transaxle. The 294B came out when VW switched to the larger pinion bearing with the thin single nut. |
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Deweyoop2
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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| [email protected] wrote: |
| Deweyoop2 wrote: |
| [email protected] wrote: |
| airschooled wrote: |
| So I need 294a or 294b to build a stock IRS Type 1 box? 😯 |
Yes
A 294 jig is handy to have since the Rhino/Autocraft cases use a 4 bolt pinion. |
What’s the difference between Vw 294A and 294B? |
Its my understanding the 294A was created to work with the oddball one year only 68 Type 2 transaxle. The 294B came out when VW switched to the larger pinion bearing with the thin single nut. |
ooh OK so here's another question: in the Bentley book for the vw bug the tool that is referenced is Vw 294B is it safe to assume that 294B was mainly used on the type 1 transaxles and the 294A was specifically for the type 2's? |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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| I think the 294A, and 294B will work with either a 69-83 Type 2 trans, or a 71-79 Type 1. The added attachments worked with the 68 Type 2 on the 294A, and the shorter rod attachments worked with the Autostick trans on the 294B. Maybe mcmscott can clarify. I use a 294 for the early 4 bolt pinion Type 1 stuff, and a 294B plate with the correct length mounts for a common large bearing 71 on Type 1/2. I’ve never seen a complete tool with all of the attachments. |
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Dougy Dee
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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What is the body length of the four shorter 'arms'? I have the longer ones like in this pic from the Samba gallery.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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What is the body length of the four shorter 'arms'? I have the longer ones like in this pic from the Samba gallery.
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Pretty sure I have a set of the shorter ones, and I know someone that does for sure if I don’t. I’ll see if I can get measurements. |
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Deweyoop2
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| Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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| Would anyone be able to give me a scan of both vw 294a and Vw 294b? |
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supertobs
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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| The shorter arms have a measurement of 106.6 mm (from VW document) |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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| Is it possible to bore out a 294 to fit the larger pinion bearing? I have a 294 that I don't have a use for but need a 294b. |
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Dougy Dee
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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| Is it possible to bore out a 294 to fit the larger pinion bearing? I have a 294 that I don't have a use for but need a 294b. |
A competent machinist should be able to open up a 294 to accommodate the later big nut pinion bearing. The 4 'pins' will need be shortened. I believe to 106.6mm. |
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nsracing
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Transaxle tool 294 (shift jig) interchange |
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If you only intend to use 1 jig for all your trans work - yes, the 294 can be machined to the larger bearings...and get an adapter. But you still have to switch rods between trans types.
The best way is to just get the Bus jig and have two jigs setup to work on all of the trans.
I would not limit myself to just a single jig when there are so many floating around for sale.
Rhino cases for hi-performance use - which jig? |
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