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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:25 pm    Post subject: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

I have a 69 fuel injection fastback. I want to know if there is a style of muffler that will give the car some better sound. I want it to be a little louder, like glass packs would do. I've seen the tri-Mil OTT mentioned. Wondering if that would give me the added sound I am looking for.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

YUP . . A glass will definitely make it louder!
The standard 1-3/8 four into one header will do.
And if it's to loud you can always put a single quiet muffler when you wanna be a little nicer to the neighbors.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

Here's what I'm running on my 65 Squareback...

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Had it custom made at the local muffler shop to bolt to the existing 1-1/2" three bolt flange header so it would clear my hitch (originally the supertrapp bolted directly to the header by way of a simple adaptor I fabbed up and exited right out the center in the rear like a short stinger). The short supertrapp is definitely loud - but surprisingly not terrible at idle and gentle cruising. But it screams when you get on it a bit!

For reference, I'm running a 1968cc dual carded engine with a fairly mild cam...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

OTT style sounds good & doesn't hang down low like other exhausts.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

nynone4 wrote:
Here's what I'm running on my 65 Squareback...

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Had it custom made at the local muffler shop to bolt to the existing 1-1/2" three bolt flange header so it would clear my hitch (originally the supertrapp bolted directly to the header by way of a simple adaptor I fabbed up and exited right out the center in the rear like a short stinger). The short supertrapp is definitely loud - but surprisingly not terrible at idle and gentle cruising. But it screams when you get on it a bit!

For reference, I'm running a 1968cc dual carded engine with a fairly mild cam...


Reminds me of a section of Harley pipe I had on the end of a 1-3/8ths Tri mill header. Now that was loud, as I scared a guy in a Honda once when I revved it up. He thought his fart can was loud, but it wasn't. Laughing Laughing
My plan on my Notch is to use a standard 1-3/8ths header, with a small glass pack muffler and a section of tail pipe on it to get it all out from under the car, but exit out the stock location. I've already got it built, complete with flanged heat exchangers ready to go on., but just hadn't gotten to it yet. Way back in 89, my wife's 70 Fastback had a header and a cherry bomb/glass pack muffler on it. I drove it from Texas to Michigan and it wasn't too obnoxious. Wink It was loud around town, but seemed to loose a few db's at freeway speed.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

https://store.vintagespeed.com.tw/VINTAGE-SPEED-TYPE-3-ABARTH-EXHAUST-SYSTEM-p132825594
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

Bobnotch wrote:
nynone4 wrote:
Here's what I'm running on my 65 Squareback...

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Had it custom made at the local muffler shop to bolt to the existing 1-1/2" three bolt flange header so it would clear my hitch (originally the supertrapp bolted directly to the header by way of a simple adaptor I fabbed up and exited right out the center in the rear like a short stinger). The short supertrapp is definitely loud - but surprisingly not terrible at idle and gentle cruising. But it screams when you get on it a bit!

For reference, I'm running a 1968cc dual carded engine with a fairly mild cam...


Reminds me of a section of Harley pipe I had on the end of a 1-3/8ths Tri mill header. Now that was loud, as I scared a guy in a Honda once when I revved it up. He thought his fart can was loud, but it wasn't. Laughing Laughing
My plan on my Notch is to use a standard 1-3/8ths header, with a small glass pack muffler and a section of tail pipe on it to get it all out from under the car, but exit out the stock location. I've already got it built, complete with flanged heat exchangers ready to go on., but just hadn't gotten to it yet. Way back in 89, my wife's 70 Fastback had a header and a cherry bomb/glass pack muffler on it. I drove it from Texas to Michigan and it wasn't too obnoxious. Wink It was loud around town, but seemed to loose a few db's at freeway speed.


You mean like this old cyclone header I have?


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

notchboy wrote:
https://store.vintagespeed.com.tw/VINTAGE-SPEED-TYPE-3-ABARTH-EXHAUST-SYSTEM-p132825594


I would love to hear a clip of one of these. I have asked the VS speed guys if they have one, but no response.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

This is for the Abarth dual tip type I posted. There is a single tip version - but I don't know if they put the special Abarth sauce in it if there is such a thing?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:37 am    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

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This is for the Abarth dual tip type I posted. There is a single tip version - but I don't know if they put the special Abarth sauce in it if there is such a thing?



I’ve got the single tip version. Guess it’s the “no sauce” version ‘cause it don’t sound like that; more tame.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:25 am    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

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VSP, expensive as hell.


LOL, CSP Python has entered the chat...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

I have an NOS mufflerhanging in the shop
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

Not to turn the discussion too far off-topic, but I like the stock sound. I can hear it, but it doesn't drone on the highway. I like the "sewing machine" noise in preference to megaphone putt-putt. Reminds me of a well-tuned stock Porsche in its' mechanical precision, fan whoosh, and understatement. I hate the fart mufflers on Japanese cars, and I guess I'm pushing against that here, too. I drove on highways too many years and miles to like "louder."

Now back to our regularly-scheduled program...

I have run extractor/quiet pack mufflers on several of my cars, though not the Type 3s. They help slightly at the higher end, and do make a satisfying noise in the parking lot. On my Bugs they scraped unless I was careful. I even clamped a disposable angled steel plate where it dragged to save wear on the muffler.

The stock Type 3 exhaust system, if you have seen the cutaway photos, is a good approximation to an equal-length header system, and with the exception of the resonator, not very restrictive. With the intake runners on my FI '71 limiting rpms to 5K max anyway, this isn't much of a restriction at the high end, so I go with it.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

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My plan on my Notch is to use a standard 1-3/8ths header, with a small glass pack muffler and a section of tail pipe on it to get it all out from under the car, but exit out the stock location. I've already got it built, complete with flanged heat exchangers ready to go on., but just hadn't gotten to it yet. Way back in 89, my wife's 70 Fastback had a header and a cherry bomb/glass pack muffler on it. I drove it from Texas to Michigan and it wasn't too obnoxious. Wink It was loud around town, but seemed to loose a few db's at freeway speed.


You mean like this old cyclone header I have?

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Yup, about that size muffler/glass pack.

KTPhil wrote:Not to turn the discussion too far off-topic, but I like the stock sound. I can hear it, but it doesn't drone on the highway. I like the "sewing machine" noise in preference to megaphone putt-putt. Reminds me of a well-tuned stock Porsche in its' mechanical precision, fan whoosh, and understatement.

I ran the stock muffler for years with a section of Harley pipe in place of the dampener pipe. While only a little louder than stock, it's ok but pretty quiet. In my case the muffler body itself needs some rust repair.But then I got it used from Ev back in 2006, and it's been in use ever since. I'm just after something a little different now, since I need to patch it.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

notchboy wrote:
This is for the Abarth dual tip type I posted. There is a single tip version - but I don't know if they put the special Abarth sauce in it if there is such a thing?


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Thanks Dude! I'm going to break the new 1.8l with the cyclone, and if it is bad, I'll order up the Abarth.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

I used to run a Cyclone on my old 64 notch with a 1776. Loved it. It sounded like a rally car. Exhaust popped when you took your foot off the pedal. Cool


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

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I used to run a Cyclone on my old 64 notch with a 1776. Loved it. It sounded like a rally car. Exhaust popped when you took your foot off the pedal. Cool


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That should make the neighbours happy! And make me fit in with the cool kids at the 7-11.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

Jason37 wrote:
notchboy wrote:
I used to run a Cyclone on my old 64 notch with a 1776. Loved it. It sounded like a rally car. Exhaust popped when you took your foot off the pedal. Cool


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That should make the neighbours happy! And make fit in with the cool kids at the 7-11.


...and make voters ban old cars.
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VSP, expensive as hell.


LOL, CSP Python has entered the chat...


oK Josh, make me feel, cheap/poor. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Exhaust choice for better (louder) sound Reply with quote

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ataraxia wrote:
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LOL, CSP Python has entered the chat...


oK Josh, make me feel, cheap/poor. Laughing


Hey. I resemble that remark. Laughing
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