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TRS63 Samba Member
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TomSimon Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 3:42 am Post subject: Re: 1974 914 - restoration&lightweight project |
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That is an impressive amount of metalwork, nice quality work, too! you must be in the shop 4-6hrs a day everyday. That B pillar area has so many compound curves and facets, great job recreating those!
I had read about the battery tray area on 914's, never heard it referred to as 'The Hell Hole', but I see why the area earned that nickname. Ordering repair panels for that area was a smart move, even though I have no doubt you could have hammered them out of sheet stock yourself. _________________ 2-time NASA Pro Racing Champion, Bonneville 130 Club and 150 Club Memeber, BRS Pro Gas racer |
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TRS63 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:41 am Post subject: Re: 1974 914 - restoration&lightweight project |
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TomSimon wrote: |
That is an impressive amount of metalwork, nice quality work, too! you must be in the shop 4-6hrs a day everyday. That B pillar area has so many compound curves and facets, great job recreating those!
I had read about the battery tray area on 914's, never heard it referred to as 'The Hell Hole', but I see why the area earned that nickname. Ordering repair panels for that area was a smart move, even though I have no doubt you could have hammered them out of sheet stock yourself. |
Thanks a lot for the compliments!
I wish I could be that much in the shop, sadly with a full time job and a young family, I have one evening a week (which I use fully 5-6hours) and I did manage to use a couple holidays for it where I would work 10-11h without breaks..well, since beginning of august I am 148h in this project 👍👍
Bests
Antoine _________________ Antoine
My 62 ragtop daily driver:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=728873
My 914 restoration&lightweight project :
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9698432#9698432
Resurrecting a 60 ghia : https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=713906
My 52 Standard Zwitter :
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10086685#10086685 |
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TRS63 Samba Member
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TRS63 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:53 am Post subject: Re: 1974 914 - restoration&lightweight project |
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So, I finished welding the seat belt mounting point and adjusting my home made part of the long:
Then time to start on the back part. Plenty of rust:
Inner suspension console has some rust, see here the holes:
Some bad repairs with metal over rust, and looks like the long's rust gets up to it :
So decision was made to remove it to repair correctly..and I opened again a can of rust..
So it's now removed:
But it is really rusted through on several places and poorly repaired on others..
I think I will order a new one instead of fixing it..will be cleaner, efficienter and easier!
Just for fun made some assembly :
Then it was time to remove the rusted long. My plan is to remove the rusted part of the inner long, weld the new one in (including engine mount and inner suspension console), and then remove the outer long with part of the wheel tray, and replace it. Even if everything is braced, I feel safer to make it one after the other to keep some sort of stability and measure points. Please tell me if anything speaks against it, I am still new in the 914world!
So here we are:
Time to remove the engine mount:
Rust behind it:
And out:
The long was really at the end of its life:
And now the parts ready for blasting:
And blasted:
The engine mount showed some issues :
So let's fix it:
Ready to weld:
One picture with a hint of the color, good for the motivation !
Now this topic is up to date!
Stay tuned,
Antoine _________________ Antoine
My 62 ragtop daily driver:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=728873
My 914 restoration&lightweight project :
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9698432#9698432
Resurrecting a 60 ghia : https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=713906
My 52 Standard Zwitter :
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10086685#10086685 |
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TRS63 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:42 am Post subject: Re: 1974 914 - restoration&lightweight project |
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Next update!
I welded the repair part on the engine mount, now it's ready to be put back on
Then I started the adjustment on the inner long. First I put a lot of thoughts on were to make the connection and here was the best place I think, so let's cut:
And adjust:
I made a lot of trial mounting, checking with all the elements,..Like here:
and now I am ready to weld it. I will weld it everywhere but to the wheel-well/outer long, to gain back some stability, then change the wheel well/outer long with the replacement part I already bought and I think it will be ok.
I ordered a new inner suspension console, but made the adjustment with the (rusted through) original one for the time being. One last check with the new one will take place before welding. I was happy to see everything going right back in with my jig and measurement being ok
I am searching for a replacement outer suspension console, hope to find one or I will have to repair mine, which might be hard..
Last pictures, preparation for future welding done with welding primer where it will be welded in the future and rust protection paint everywhere else :
Bests
Antoine _________________ Antoine
My 62 ragtop daily driver:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=728873
My 914 restoration&lightweight project :
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9698432#9698432
Resurrecting a 60 ghia : https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=713906
My 52 Standard Zwitter :
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10086685#10086685 |
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TRS63 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:16 am Post subject: Re: 1974 914 - restoration&lightweight project |
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Again a couple hours of work on the 914 this week!
First I received a small order:
This suspension console looks a bit better :
Then it was time for one last adjustment, check..and to get the welder out!
Couple of welding points:
One last check:
And everything is welded:
I did not grind so much to make sure no material thickness is removed. I will be planishing the weld and metal finishing it a bit more when the outer wheel-well/long reinforcement will be out. And then that will go on:
But before that I will weld back the engine mount next week, and also the inner suspension console. For that one I need your help/advice!
The new replacement part has a long bottom part that goes further than the lip between outer and inner long. That is the length:
And the lip is approximatively where my finger is:
Should I remove the lip there and the suspension console goes further on the outside connecting with the outer suspension console or it has to be cut to join the outer console suspension exactly where the lip is ? That is a really important information to me, please tell me if my question is not clear!
Thanks
Antoine _________________ Antoine
My 62 ragtop daily driver:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=728873
My 914 restoration&lightweight project :
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9698432#9698432
Resurrecting a 60 ghia : https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=713906
My 52 Standard Zwitter :
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10086685#10086685 |
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toxicavenger70 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: 1974 914 - restoration&lightweight project |
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I don't have the answer for your question, but I have to say you are doing some outstanding work! |
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Starbucket Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: 1974 914 - restoration&lightweight project |
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Can you compare the replacement part with the other side to see how close it is to the original part? |
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samwise Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:44 am Post subject: Re: 1974 914 - restoration&lightweight project |
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Awesome work, Antoine! _________________ Ben
1979 7-passenger bus
Harvee the Wonder Bus' pics |
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TRS63 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:35 am Post subject: Re: 1974 914 - restoration&lightweight project |
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Thanks a lot Ben!
I managed to work some hours on it this week!
I disassemble my new to me outer suspension console and cleaned/blasted it :
The inside showed only some surface rust :
Except these small holes:
That I welded shut :
I then treated the inside with some rust protection :
And some paint.. won't move anymore !!
Then after 1000 measurements, checking, positioning,....I welded the inner suspension console ! (And the small bracket for the brake line):
And treated the inside of the long with rust protection product and some paint..here again it will probably last longer than me!!
Then it's time to start on the outside :
First I treated the outside part with some rust protection primer (I even diluted some to make it fluid enough to go between the layers..):
And then some rust protection paint (also made it fluid to flow everywhere possible as a first layer, then thick over it)
And time to start adjusting:
Lot of adjustment left but the motivation picture:
Stay tuned
Antoine _________________ Antoine
My 62 ragtop daily driver:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=728873
My 914 restoration&lightweight project :
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9698432#9698432
Resurrecting a 60 ghia : https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=713906
My 52 Standard Zwitter :
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10086685#10086685 |
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lil_azza Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: 1974 914 - restoration&lightweight project |
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Fantastic work
Enjoyed reading through this _________________ 70 early bay
71 deluxe beetle
58 rhd beetle
69 karmann cabriolet
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 5:35 am Post subject: Re: 1974 914 - restoration&lightweight project |
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So...next update!
Before taking care of the bottom of the passenger rear quarter, I thought I will see what I can do with the top part with the holes and dents:
I first planished it roughly with hammer and dollies:
And welded the holes shut. Some smoothing left but already way better:
Then I decided to continue on the firewall..first taking care of this old terrible repair:
I decided to replace this part:
Making a template:
And the patch :
Cut out the wrong repair:
Adjusting:
Welding:
Et voilà:
And in between, I had noticed that the floor was also repaired with metal over rust, what I can't stand so I also fixed that:
How it was:
Starting the shape:
Verifying the fit:
Whole shape:
Test-fitting:
Cutting and adjusting:
And welded:
I did not over-grind it..the weld is under the front part of the firewall and robustness is more important!
Stay tuned, I have more to share!
Antoine _________________ Antoine
My 62 ragtop daily driver:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=728873
My 914 restoration&lightweight project :
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9698432#9698432
Resurrecting a 60 ghia : https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=713906
My 52 Standard Zwitter :
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10086685#10086685 |
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