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Split 66'
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 Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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Writing Porsche on the side of a new paint Bus, is my reason for skewering this particular one.
Is the buyer getting a Bus, or a shoddy Porsche billboard?
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Spaz2644
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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| To each their own. Mattel has a model you can build of the same. Complete with the stickers. Hot wheels also came out in 2021 with the same and a scale electric slot car. All red with Porsche logos etc. The local Porsche dealer here used a VW panel for deliveries for years. Very common paint scheme in all honesty. Not my cuppa either. |
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Alan Brase
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Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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| I thought I was on a Corvette forum for a minute there!!! The seller doesn’t appear to be hiding anything. When did you guys get to be such a tough crowd?? It is what it is and should sell accordingly. |
I must be on some kinda BAT black list. But I never bought (or sold) a vehicle there, so they might measure freedom of speech with dollars spent.
So BAT never even published what I wrote.
Agreeing with both Braukuche and Lind, I think it is a solid vehicle. The red paint? Lipstick on a pig? At least lipstick on a frump.
But my main gripe is that there is no driving video, and the motor installation is completed so poorly that the buyer will be very disappointed. I think a few dollars, like $1000, spent properly preparing it might result in a video of it driving nicely in traffic.
I had such a situation in my own town.A guy calls me out of the blue. He came here a couple years ago and bought a family business and has done well with it. He recently bought a tarted up 1965ish 21 window, bus. Near $100k, I'd guess. He says he absolutely cannot ride in it, it rides so rough. He took it to 3 places that would not touch it, but the last guy says: Have Al Brase do it. I no longer fix cars for others. I have a lot of my own and not so many good days and years left. But I might go look at it and give him a list of what work to have done. Most likely stock Boge/ F&S shocks will be major improvement over any "California Bolt-on" stuff.
but my point with this red one: Just spend a few dollars to get it right, and it will come back to you 3 times in a higher bid.
I don't hate the car at all. I'd probably rattle can it white, tho.
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Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
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80 P27 Westy JUL 1979, 3rd oldest known US
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MrPolak
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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| Spaz2644 wrote: |
| I thought I was on a Corvette forum for a minute there!!! The seller doesn’t appear to be hiding anything. When did you guys get to be such a tough crowd?? It is what it is and should sell accordingly. |
BAT has very specific commenting rules to keep their bidders and sellers looking through rose-colored monitors. The Samba does not hold back any punches. You want to know the ugly details? You come here. You want to sort them out? The Samba will help. |
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Lind
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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| Spaz2644 wrote: |
| I thought I was on a Corvette forum for a minute there!!! The seller doesn’t appear to be hiding anything. When did you guys get to be such a tough crowd?? It is what it is and should sell accordingly. |
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| Each auction has a comment thread where the BaT community discusses the vehicle and asks the seller questions. Sellers are encouraged to be active participants in the comments section—answering questions and engaging with the community increases bidder confidence. |
BAT has a public forum for a reason, so that most anybody can post their observations, good bad or otherwise. Buyers can read the comments or not, and judge the validity and relevance of the comments. If you want auctions where people only say good things, you can look at cars on every other auction in the world and be less informed of the vehicle for sale.
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Alan Brase
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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| MrPolak wrote: |
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| I thought I was on a Corvette forum for a minute there!!! The seller doesn’t appear to be hiding anything. When did you guys get to be such a tough crowd?? It is what it is and should sell accordingly. |
BAT has very specific commenting rules to keep their bidders and sellers looking through rose-colored monitors. The Samba does not hold back any punches. You want to know the ugly details? You come here. You want to sort them out? The Samba will help. |
Rose colored monitors indeed. You'd think they might have a bit more interest in TRUE comments. Over the long term, Brokers do not win when buyers get swindled.
They are VERY CLOSE to having fiduciary liability with their auctions. You'd think not limiting negatives would give them more deniability.
Pretty sure MECUM swallowed the bullet on that fraudulent 23 window discussed here a few years back. Somebody gave the buyer ALL his money back, the state seized the bus.
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Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
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80 P27 Westy JUL 1979, 3rd oldest known US
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gitchesum
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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| Spaz2644 wrote: |
| I thought I was on a "Corvette" forum for a minute there!!! The seller doesn’t appear to be hiding anything. When did you guys get to be such a tough crowd?? It is what it is and should sell accordingly. |
You spelled "Porsche" wrong!!
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Split 66'
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-volkswagen-bus-20/
Originally a 13 window.
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The M-plate provides the following information:
26 1: January 26, 1965 planned production date
425: North American equipment
130: Deluxe Microbus without sunroof
081: Split front seats
002: Sealed-beam headlights
2412: Microbus Deluxe, eight-seater, cargo doors right, full middle seat, left-hand drive
5096253: Shortened chassis number
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Alan Brase
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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WRT the 13 turned 21>
Well this is what happens if you tell the shop: just do it. Send me the bill. Quick mental adding says the body and paint were $61k.
I guess, for some a 130hp 21 window bus with white wall tires and shiny paint and no defrost/ heat might make sense.
Not me.
As Clara used to say "I can't drive 55" is actually more to my speed.
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Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
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Erik G
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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functional carb? what?
Seriously other than the red paint and blocking the holes in the rear tin I think yall are way over reacting. Looks like a standard 1500-1600sp with a 30/31 carb and a 009 to me. Heat risers are even hooked to the intake manifold.
the bus is shit but some of you just repeat nonsense without knowing what you're talking about |
It would likely run just fine after a little warm up, it's just ugly and missing details. I have driven worse in Idaho weather with decent results. |
I guess that is my point.
Not sure what Sled is referring to. Someone even called it a 34pict carb - it's not. And then someone else picked up on that and added the carb and the distributor don't match...  That is the part I was referring to when I stated "repeat nonsense without knowing what you're talking about" - I know Sled isn't one of those but this page will have people believe a 009 is undriveable and on a bus especially I do not find that to be the case. |
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Split 66'
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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Sold for $65,000!!?? That's some serious buyers remorse. Most expensive Panel ever sold?
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DanM
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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| Re: the fake 21 - The startup vid shows no functioning oil warning light at key "on". I guess BAT buyers can afford to just blow the engine and start over. |
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Lind
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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| Sold for $65,000!!?? That's some serious buyers remorse. Most expensive Panel ever sold?
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No.
Several panels have sold for more than that. The difference is that the others were worth more than that bus. There is another world where these cars change hands outside of auctions. The general public doesn't always get a chance to buy the best and most valuable cars.
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Split 66'
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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| Lind wrote: |
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| Sold for $65,000!!?? That's some serious buyers remorse. Most expensive Panel ever sold?
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No.
Several panels have sold for more than that. The difference is that the others were worth more than that bus. There is another world where these cars change hands outside of auctions. The general public doesn't always get a chance to buy the best and most valuable cars. |
Now I'm curious, what's the most you've seen someone spend for a Bus, without all those horrible windows and obnoxious ventilation?
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Lind
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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| Sold for $65,000!!?? That's some serious buyers remorse. Most expensive Panel ever sold?
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No.
Several panels have sold for more than that. The difference is that the others were worth more than that bus. There is another world where these cars change hands outside of auctions. The general public doesn't always get a chance to buy the best and most valuable cars. |
Now I'm curious, what's the most you've seen someone spend for a Bus, without all those horrible windows and obnoxious ventilation? |
I know of panels that have sold for six figures.
I personally have spent more on a panelvan than what that one sold for.
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Split 66'
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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| Lind wrote: |
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| Sold for $65,000!!?? That's some serious buyers remorse. Most expensive Panel ever sold?
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No.
Several panels have sold for more than that. The difference is that the others were worth more than that bus. There is another world where these cars change hands outside of auctions. The general public doesn't always get a chance to buy the best and most valuable cars. |
Now I'm curious, what's the most you've seen someone spend for a Bus, without all those horrible windows and obnoxious ventilation? |
I know of panels that have sold for six figures.
I personally have spent more on a panelvan than what that one sold for. |
Were these expensive panels all pre-64?
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Lind
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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| Split 66' wrote: |
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| Sold for $65,000!!?? That's some serious buyers remorse. Most expensive Panel ever sold?
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No.
Several panels have sold for more than that. The difference is that the others were worth more than that bus. There is another world where these cars change hands outside of auctions. The general public doesn't always get a chance to buy the best and most valuable cars. |
Now I'm curious, what's the most you've seen someone spend for a Bus, without all those horrible windows and obnoxious ventilation? |
I know of panels that have sold for six figures.
I personally have spent more on a panelvan than what that one sold for. |
Were these expensive panels all pre-64? |
Pre-'55
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Erik G
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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| 65K is insane for that bus. I honestly wouldn't buy it period but damn |
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Alan Brase
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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| Erik G wrote: |
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functional carb? what?
Seriously other than the red paint and blocking the holes in the rear tin I think yall are way over reacting. Looks like a standard 1500-1600sp with a 30/31 carb and a 009 to me. Heat risers are even hooked to the intake manifold.
the bus is shit but some of you just repeat nonsense without knowing what you're talking about |
It would likely run just fine after a little warm up, it's just ugly and missing details. I have driven worse in Idaho weather with decent results. |
I guess that is my point.
Not sure what Sled is referring to. Someone even called it a 34pict carb - it's not. And then someone else picked up on that and added the carb and the distributor don't match... That is the part I was referring to when I stated "repeat nonsense without knowing what you're talking about" - I know Sled isn't one of those but this page will have people believe a 009 is undriveable and on a bus especially I do not find that to be the case. |
That would be me. And I later put together that of course it's NOT a 34PICT because how would that bolt to a single port manifold? (bigger base on a 34 than the 30/31.)
But I'll stand by some of what I said. It is not NEARLY as well functioning as what it came equipped with brand new.
My experience with using a 009 on perhaps a dozen different VW air cooled engines was IT WAS ALWAYS WORSE PERFORMING. Sort of a LIMP HOME fix.
AND: preheated air always helped a lot.
AND: heat riser, together with the proper muffler/ header connections is ABSOLUTELY necessary.
True, I don't live in the desert, but rather the very humid midwest, where carbs will ice on a 50 degree day at 90% humidity.
It's not a question of what I can make work. I have a lot of experience at driving basket cases.
I'm talking about it driving RIGHT. Driving BRILLIANTLY.
I think if I spent $65k on a tarted up panel I'd expect it to drive brilliantly.
Where was the driving video?
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Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
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Split 66'
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: BAT Buses |
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| Split 66' wrote: |
| Sold for $65,000!!?? That's some serious buyers remorse. Most expensive Panel ever sold?
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No.
Several panels have sold for more than that. The difference is that the others were worth more than that bus. There is another world where these cars change hands outside of auctions. The general public doesn't always get a chance to buy the best and most valuable cars. |
Now I'm curious, what's the most you've seen someone spend for a Bus, without all those horrible windows and obnoxious ventilation? |
I know of panels that have sold for six figures.
I personally have spent more on a panelvan than what that one sold for. |
Were these expensive panels all pre-64? |
Pre-'55 |
Pre-'55 has historical value, I can understand that.
But was this the most expensive 64-67 Panel anyone has yet seen?
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