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TheRustyRabbit Samba Member
Joined: December 26, 2008 Posts: 25 Location: Moncure,NC
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:44 pm Post subject: Type 4 Motor. Where to buy a reman unit? |
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Years ago before I started building my own water cooled VW engines, I had the misfortune of buying a head from GEX. Needless to say i got burnt. Then they got burnt worse.
I picked up a 72 camper and would like to slap a reman engine in it for this summer, but I don't know who out there in aircooled land makes a decent engine these days.
Any idea on who to use and who to avoid? There are no local VW shops around here except for mine, and I only deal in watercooled Rabbit era stuff.
I could build my own, but I've never messed with the aircooled engines and certainly not with a type 4. |
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VWLover77 Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2003 Posts: 999 Location: North Canton, Ohio
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 Motor. Where to buy a reman unit? |
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There are not many good choices these days.
European Motorworks in Hawthorne, CA has a good reputation. I bought an align-bored Type IV engine case and rebuilt rods from them. They also reground my crank and supplied the bearings and camshaft. I assembled the engine. George is the owner.
They do not have turnkey engines ready to ship, but I'm sure he could build you one..... But I have heard he has a huge backlog right now, and parts availability is a problem.
http://www.europeanmotorworks.com/ _________________ Don
1978 Westy
1971 Super Beetle Convertible
"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world." - J.R.R. Tolkien |
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Bonesberg55 Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2012 Posts: 1270
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 Motor. Where to buy a reman unit? |
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I've rebuilt type 1 and type 4 engines with the only appreciable difference being that type 4 parts are much harder to come by. The rebuilding process is pretty much the same. Occasionally you can find a quality rebuilt type 4 on this website. Any shop that tells you they only deal in type 1 engines simply doesn't want to be bothered with the hassle of finding parts. They are out there. Patience is a virtue. |
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theguyryry Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2021 Posts: 100 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 Motor. Where to buy a reman unit? |
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I just went through something similar... I bought my first bus over the summer and had the motor blow up shortly after, a 1973 transporter with a type 4. After talking to some of the people here, I came to the conclusion to do a Type 1 conversion. The reason mostly was that parts are more readily available, and there are still reputable builders out there building Type 1 motors. If it helps, it was by a very wide margin that people recommended to convert to a Type 1.
Feel free to ping me if you want to pick my brain about it, but the people that really convinced me were Aeromech, telforddorr, and airschooled (all very knowledgeable, awesome people that are part of the bay window community).
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:15 am Post subject: Re: Type 4 Motor. Where to buy a reman unit? |
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TheRustyRabbit wrote: |
Years ago before I started building my own water cooled VW engines, I had the misfortune of buying a head from GEX. Needless to say i got burnt. Then they got burnt worse.
I picked up a 72 camper and would like to slap a reman engine in it for this summer, but I don't know who out there in aircooled land makes a decent engine these days.
Any idea on who to use and who to avoid? There are no local VW shops around here except for mine, and I only deal in watercooled Rabbit era stuff.
I could build my own, but I've never messed with the aircooled engines and certainly not with a type 4. |
Funny, and welcome. A 1972 bus is 50 years old this year. There are no such things as "quality" re-manufactured air cooled motors. The buses are antiques. No one makes 100% descent engines because everything depends on the quality of the core. It has only been rebuilt 5 times since new. And it was owned by 6 owners who cut every corner they could. Welcome to the world of the air cooled VW Bus. Tough Love but it is what it is. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:15 am Post subject: Re: Type 4 Motor. Where to buy a reman unit? |
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duplicate _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:21 am Post subject: Re: Type 4 Motor. Where to buy a reman unit? |
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give MOFOCO a call and see what they are currently offering.
https://www.mofoco.com/category/Type_4_Longblocks/c163 _________________
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2018 Posts: 3581 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 Motor. Where to buy a reman unit? |
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Randy's VW Hobby Shop in Comfort Texas might also be another source to talk to.
210-209-3597 [email protected] _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
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74 Thing Samba Member
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airkooledchris Samba Member
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TrollFromDownBelow Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2005 Posts: 414 Location: Metro Detroit
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 Motor. Where to buy a reman unit? |
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If you are looking to buy a turnkey engine, this may not be the right choice. However, if you are willing to let someone rebuild your engine, I would highly recommend Rich Sedoris in Youngstown, OH. I sourced all of the parts (including Len Hoffman heads) and dis-assembled the engine. I live close(ish) enough that I drove everything to him, and picked up my completed long block.
He did absolutely phenomenal work.
PM me, and i can fwd his email address.
EDIT: I found his price to be very reasonable _________________ 1976 Westy (aka Tripod)
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TheRustyRabbit Samba Member
Joined: December 26, 2008 Posts: 25 Location: Moncure,NC
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 Motor. Where to buy a reman unit? |
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Thanks to everyone that replied. I think I'm going attempt to get the existing 1.7 type 4 engine running to see just what is wrong with it. The P.O. said it ran, but smoked, they attempted to fix it, and now it will not start.
If that fails. I have 2 type 1 long blocks sitting here that would cost me a LOT less to install than a rebuilt type 4 will.
There is also the possibility that I cram a Subaru engine in there and end up way over budget, but with a really sweet reliable speedy camper.
It really depends on the costs of everything else I have to do to it. I've ordered 2/3rds of what I'll need to make it just right for my wife and I to camp in it and I'm OK on the budget for now, but that engine is the big mystery.
Those that have installed a type 1 into one of these. Just how bad is a 1600DP on the hills? What if I added dual carbs and an exhaust? Would it be OK for hills and maybe 65 on the highway, or is it a lost cause. |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16970 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 Motor. Where to buy a reman unit? |
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To the OP. If you want to know about doing the T4 to T1 conversion send me a PM _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
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Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
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OB Bus Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2003 Posts: 2541 Location: Ocean Beach in Beautiful BLUE California
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 Motor. Where to buy a reman unit? |
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TheRustyRabbit wrote: |
Those that have installed a type 1 into one of these. Just how bad is a 1600DP on the hills? What if I added dual carbs and an exhaust? Would it be OK for hills and maybe 65 on the highway, or is it a lost cause. |
There is a long thread somewhere on here about putting T1 engines into formerly T4 buses. _________________ Larry in OB
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vacca_rabite Samba Member
Joined: July 04, 2021 Posts: 72 Location: PA
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 Motor. Where to buy a reman unit? |
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Why would you ever even consider putting a T1 into a bus that already has a TIV?
I know that it CAN be done. But it shouldn't!
Zach _________________ 1972 T2 Bay Westy in restoration
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TheRustyRabbit Samba Member
Joined: December 26, 2008 Posts: 25 Location: Moncure,NC
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 Motor. Where to buy a reman unit? |
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vacca_rabite wrote: |
Why would you ever even consider putting a T1 into a bus that already has a TIV?
I know that it CAN be done. But it shouldn't!
Zach |
Why? The type 4 costs 3 times as much to rebuild, has no availability of parts should you need one while on the road, and seems to offer little in increased HP.
I'm honestly trying to find a reason not to trash it if it turns out it needs an total rebuild or replacement. What exactly am I missing here? |
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dodger tom Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2013 Posts: 1272 Location: Central Coast, CA, but we're all still Ukrainian
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 Motor. Where to buy a reman unit? |
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If you decide to get a rebuild, consider Tuttle Parts Exchange in Baldwin Park, CA. I bought a long block from him some years ago (13ish). It has 86k on it, and is running strong. Talked to him a coupla times. He knows Type IVs. _________________ 1978 Champaign Edition 2 Westfalia
Would never find the time to keep up another classic air-cooled. |
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dodger tom Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2013 Posts: 1272 Location: Central Coast, CA, but we're all still Ukrainian
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 Motor. Where to buy a reman unit? |
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Never mind. Just saw your last post, and your location. Just trying to help. Good luck, if you do the conversion. _________________ 1978 Champaign Edition 2 Westfalia
Would never find the time to keep up another classic air-cooled. |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 Motor. Where to buy a reman unit? |
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TheRustyRabbit wrote: |
vacca_rabite wrote: |
Why would you ever even consider putting a T1 into a bus that already has a TIV?
I know that it CAN be done. But it shouldn't!
Zach |
Why? The type 4 costs 3 times as much to rebuild, has no availability of parts should you need one while on the road, and seems to offer little in increased HP.
I'm honestly trying to find a reason not to trash it if it turns out it needs an total rebuild or replacement. What exactly am I missing here? |
The case and heads are more robust. Even quality Type 1 parts are getting more rare these days. Funny thing is that as more T4 engines have been put back in service, more T4 mechanical parts are being produced than 10 years ago. Roy at MoFoCo has a long waiting list on T4 engines. So do some other vendors. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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