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earlywesty Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2356 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:08 am Post subject: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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Hi all,
I have searched here and the gallery but haven't been lucky in finding what I need to know. Has anybody tried the specific combination of an Okrasa 36hp motor with an early Eberspacher installed in the stock location? I am talking about the 8478 Eberspacher model, not a BN4 and the Wolfsburg West kit for 36hp. In looking at pics of both installed separately it looks like it would be awful close....particularly as the early heaters have a relay or something that is mounted on the side and sticks out towards the motor.
This is the heater I am referring to
And a pic of the motor (thanks Todd)
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perello Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2005 Posts: 829 Location: where social security comes for free
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:02 am Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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I can answer because I tried.
It does not fit.
It would need tweaking both the support bar at the bus and the heater itself (too close to carb). _________________ Aug '58 pressed bumper SO23
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earlywesty Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2356 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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perello wrote: |
I can answer because I tried.
It does not fit.
It would need tweaking both the support bar at the bus and the heater itself (too close to carb). |
I guess that explains why I can't find pics of the combination. Darn. |
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ToolBox Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 3439 Location: Detroit, where they don't jack parts off my ride in the parking lot of the 7-11
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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buseric wrote: |
perello wrote: |
I can answer because I tried.
It does not fit.
It would need tweaking both the support bar at the bus and the heater itself (too close to carb). |
I guess that explains why I can't find pics of the combination. Darn. |
You could always move the heater over and install a custom duct. |
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crofty Judas of the North
Joined: August 09, 2000 Posts: 19670 Location: Land of Whine and Phonies
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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A bit more involved than that.
Below the heater is the rail the bumper brackets are attached too. you'd also have to cut a verticle support and the heater might not fit that close to the wheel well because of its length.
The flame switch on the 8478 heater is on the side and that might present a problem too.
ToolBox wrote: |
buseric wrote: |
perello wrote: |
I can answer because I tried.
It does not fit.
It would need tweaking both the support bar at the bus and the heater itself (too close to carb). |
I guess that explains why I can't find pics of the combination. Darn. |
You could always move the heater over and install a custom duct. |
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Braukuche Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 10968
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:33 am Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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You have to pick heat or speed. Or just do what I did and use a modified 34PICT on a 1800. Bus does 70 easily. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
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tisius Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2011 Posts: 1570 Location: Rotterdam,NL (+Chicago,IL)
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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this is interesting _________________ drive it like you just robbed the bank
you don't have to be crazy to be into VW's, but it sure helps!!
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earlywesty Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2356 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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crofty wrote: |
A bit more involved than that.
Below the heater is the rail the bumper brackets are attached too. you'd also have to cut a verticle support and the heater might not fit that close to the wheel well because of its length.
The flame switch on the 8478 heater is on the side and that might present a problem too.
ToolBox wrote: |
buseric wrote: |
perello wrote: |
I can answer because I tried.
It does not fit.
It would need tweaking both the support bar at the bus and the heater itself (too close to carb). |
I guess that explains why I can't find pics of the combination. Darn. |
You could always move the heater over and install a custom duct. |
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This. Its fairly involved and the bus is significant so won't be getting hacked. I wondered if I could relocate the flame switch and that would make the difference? This makes the 8478 a tighter fit than later heaters. |
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crofty Judas of the North
Joined: August 09, 2000 Posts: 19670 Location: Land of Whine and Phonies
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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buseric wrote: |
crofty wrote: |
A bit more involved than that.
Below the heater is the rail the bumper brackets are attached too. you'd also have to cut a verticle support and the heater might not fit that close to the wheel well because of its length.
The flame switch on the 8478 heater is on the side and that might present a problem too.
ToolBox wrote: |
buseric wrote: |
perello wrote: |
I can answer because I tried.
It does not fit.
It would need tweaking both the support bar at the bus and the heater itself (too close to carb). |
I guess that explains why I can't find pics of the combination. Darn. |
You could always move the heater over and install a custom duct. |
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This. Its fairly involved and the bus is significant so won't be getting hacked. I wondered if I could relocate the flame switch and that would make the difference? This makes the 8478 a tighter fit than later heaters. |
If your Bus came with its heater, its NOS and i wouldnt alter that heater either! _________________ Your Vanagon sucks, Stop waving at me.
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earlywesty Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2356 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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crofty wrote: |
buseric wrote: |
crofty wrote: |
A bit more involved than that.
Below the heater is the rail the bumper brackets are attached too. you'd also have to cut a verticle support and the heater might not fit that close to the wheel well because of its length.
The flame switch on the 8478 heater is on the side and that might present a problem too.
ToolBox wrote: |
buseric wrote: |
perello wrote: |
I can answer because I tried.
It does not fit.
It would need tweaking both the support bar at the bus and the heater itself (too close to carb). |
I guess that explains why I can't find pics of the combination. Darn. |
You could always move the heater over and install a custom duct. |
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This. Its fairly involved and the bus is significant so won't be getting hacked. I wondered if I could relocate the flame switch and that would make the difference? This makes the 8478 a tighter fit than later heaters. |
If your Bus came with its heater, its NOS and i wouldnt alter that heater either! |
Well, it does look NOS, I was unsure if restored or NOS. I have 2 and both are nice....hmmm... go fast or heat....decisions |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51057 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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Has anyone tried a 72-74 bus firewall duct?, it tilts the heater to clear dual carbs, but if things are sticking out of the heater that interfere with other shit a custom exhaust pipe would be the least of your issues. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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earlywesty Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2356 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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busdaddy wrote: |
Has anyone tried a 72-74 bus firewall duct?, it tilts the heater to clear dual carbs, but if things are sticking out of the heater that interfere with other shit a custom exhaust pipe would be the least of your issues. |
Id have to find a pic to see what you mean Mark. Be nice to explore all options. |
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Braukuche Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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Whoops forgot your running a 36hp.
Sett8ng aside dual carbs you could build a stroker with a big bore, 69.5 crank and 80mm pistons which are off the shelf, or a Porsche A/B 74mm crank machined for VW rods and use AAs shortened rods. For carburation you could use one of those 30 PICT Bocars with the manual choke or if money is no object get ahold of a Judson supercharger and an ambulance intake with the shortened neck. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now
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earlywesty Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2356 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:17 am Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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Braukuche wrote: |
Whoops forgot your running a 36hp.
Sett8ng aside dual carbs you could build a stroker with a big bore, 69.5 crank and 80mm pistons which are off the shelf, or a Porsche A/B 74mm crank machined for VW rods and use AAs shortened rods. For carburation you could use one of those 30 PICT Bocars with the manual choke or if money is no object get ahold of a Judson supercharger and an ambulance intake with the shortened neck. |
This might be exactly what i do. Dual carbs really wake a motor up in my experience but this might be a good middle ground. Thanks for the thoughts Dan. I have heard mixed reviews on the Bocar carbs, but that was more on the 34pict copy. That said, I have used one successfully. Any hints on where to find the manual choke version of the 30 pict? |
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Braukuche Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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buseric wrote: |
Braukuche wrote: |
Whoops forgot your running a 36hp.
Sett8ng aside dual carbs you could build a stroker with a big bore, 69.5 crank and 80mm pistons which are off the shelf, or a Porsche A/B 74mm crank machined for VW rods and use AAs shortened rods. For carburation you could use one of those 30 PICT Bocars with the manual choke or if money is no object get ahold of a Judson supercharger and an ambulance intake with the shortened neck. |
This might be exactly what i do. Dual carbs really wake a motor up in my experience but this might be a good middle ground. Thanks for the thoughts Dan. I have heard mixed reviews on the Bocar carbs, but that was more on the 34pict copy. That said, I have used one successfully. Any hints on where to find the manual choke version of the 30 pict? |
Hey Eric, I spaced, it’s a Brosol. John at air cooled has them. If you go the Judson route I’ve been hoarding a 36hp ambulance intake with the shorter neck for years. I’m thinking it is short enough that you don’t have to cut a hole in the luggage tray to clearance the air cleaner on the carb.
https://vwparts.aircooled.net/30-PICT-1-Stock-Carburetor-Manual-Choke-113129027-p/113-129-027br.htm _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now
1973 Ghia convertible
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mandraks Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7045 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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Bocars, Bristol, Brosol, what's the difference when you are among friends _________________ regards
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Braukuche Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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mandraks wrote: |
Bocars, Bristol, Brosol, what's the difference when you are among friends |
I got spell CHECKED! _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now
1973 Ghia convertible |
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earlywesty Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2356 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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Braukuche wrote: |
mandraks wrote: |
Bocars, Bristol, Brosol, what's the difference when you are among friends |
I got spell CHECKED! |
Don't worry about it, I got ya. Thanks man |
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Eberspacher heater and Okrasa dual carbs - does it fit? |
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There is not much room between the 1600 engine and the Eberspacher in this 56 bus. It makes it a bit awkward to change the plugs on the left side. 2008 pics.
The heat is really nice.
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