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scirocco_crazy
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soissisc
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 Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:43 am Post subject: Re: AWD 1976 Westy with 3.6 Subaru Motor and Driveline |
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I love following along with your build, but I don't know "squat" about trailer design for highway speed. Looks great!
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CrRusty
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| Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:03 am Post subject: Re: AWD 1976 Westy with 3.6 Subaru Motor and Driveline |
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Hat off to you for this build, amazing.
As for the trailer more than one axel of this type is overkill and getting heavy. The proportion of where the axel is mounted is important. You will need approx 20% of the trailer weight on the tongue or hitch ball. Always want trailer tongue to be the heavy end of the sea saw. When the trailer tongue weight is too light meaning too much weight behind the trailer wheels in the back, is when trailers become squirrely on the highway.
https://www.gmc.com/gmc-life/trucks/why-tongue-weight-is-important-for-safe-towing |
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scirocco_crazy
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| Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:54 am Post subject: Re: AWD 1976 Westy with 3.6 Subaru Motor and Driveline |
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These topics keep me awake at night. I travel for work and see some really crazy situations on the highway. I seem to be focused on max tongue weight for the hitch im building for the bus. when I back that number into total GVW it is getting more vague. My issue is the motorcycle placement and bike hitch on the back. Each time I did the calculation I needed to move the fulcrum forward. all that being said this is why I did the second axle. I do agree with you about the weight though, including tires/axle/ and plates I am adding almost 150 lbs to the trailer. I think I will still add the water tank up front that way if I need more tongue weight I can fill r up. Who knows with the rooftop tent, 4 bikes, 73' Honda, and all the gear what the total will be. I am shooting for 2k total. Per VW, I should be good up to 2500lbs since it will have brakes also. The more I get mocked up the more my welder buddy can final burn in, so with that being said I will keep on cutting.
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Hat off to you for this build, amazing.
As for the trailer more than one axel of this type is overkill and getting heavy. The proportion of where the axel is mounted is important. You will need approx 20% of the trailer weight on the tongue or hitch ball. Always want trailer tongue to be the heavy end of the sea saw. When the trailer tongue weight is too light meaning too much weight behind the trailer wheels in the back, is when trailers become squirrely on the highway.
https://www.gmc.com/gmc-life/trucks/why-tongue-weight-is-important-for-safe-towing |
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Second Current Build 1979 Porsche 911SC
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10117349#10117349
Previous Builds 78 Westy with matching trailer
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=589790&highlight=westy
78 Bay with Acura 3.2 Type S engine
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=516038&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
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Balidas
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: AWD 1976 Westy with 3.6 Subaru Motor and Driveline |
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I also narrowed down my transmission today to the 6 speed unit from the Subaru Outback.
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How will you deal with the cable shift with this transaxle? |
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scirocco_crazy
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Balidas
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:02 am Post subject: Re: AWD 1976 Westy with 3.6 Subaru Motor and Driveline |
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Here is an example of the cable I will use. They sell them in 6” increments so I won’t order it till both the shifter and trans are installed. They are designed to accept many different end on them.
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Ok. I was looking for a 6 speed to put in my Bay until a fellow at Subie Works told me I couldn't on account 6 speeds are cable shift. As of yet I haven't found any way to convert cable shift to direct shift so I'll end up going to a 5 speed. |
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scirocco_crazy
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:54 am Post subject: Re: AWD 1976 Westy with 3.6 Subaru Motor and Driveline |
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Here is an example of the cable I will use. They sell them in 6” increments so I won’t order it till both the shifter and trans are installed. They are designed to accept many different end on them.
Ok. I was looking for a 6 speed to put in my Bay until a fellow at Subie Works told me I couldn't on account 6 speeds are cable shift. As of yet I haven't found any way to convert cable shift to direct shift so I'll end up going to a 5 speed. |
These cables are very similar to the factory ones, the only downside is the longer the cable the softer the shift feel, its a small difference but something to think about. People building super high end race cars have used these for a very long time with great success in racing. I've seen them mounted to G50 Trans reverse mounted coupled up to big v8's. Check out Superformance GT40 custom cars. As far as converting the shifter you might consider getting a shifter assembly out of a wrecked WRX and fabricating a raised shifter base then running your cables. I believe race-taxi did something similar with his twin turbo'd Type 1.
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Second Current Build 1979 Porsche 911SC
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10117349#10117349
Previous Builds 78 Westy with matching trailer
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=589790&highlight=westy
78 Bay with Acura 3.2 Type S engine
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=516038&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
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Balidas
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:49 am Post subject: Re: AWD 1976 Westy with 3.6 Subaru Motor and Driveline |
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| scirocco_crazy wrote: |
As far as converting the shifter you might consider getting a shifter assembly out of a wrecked WRX and fabricating a raised shifter base then running your cables. I believe race-taxi did something similar with his twin turbo'd Type 1. |
I've looked at that end of it also & didn't find anything but I'll look into this. How cool would that be! Thank you for the heads up. |
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soissisc
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:02 am Post subject: Re: AWD 1976 Westy with 3.6 Subaru Motor and Driveline |
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Porsche boxster has the cable shift running to the back. The cables are short but you can modify.
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Abscate
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:29 am Post subject: Re: AWD 1976 Westy with 3.6 Subaru Motor and Driveline |
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Your two axle trailer is overkill but will be much less sensitive to tongue weight than a single axle, so for your planned varied use it’s a great solution
Having extra rubber on the road is always good. You could lose a tire and not even notice it.
My heavy use trailers run at 80-90% capacity get new rubber every 5 years
My light duty stuff 10 years.
I donate the old ones as spares to the local sailing club
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scirocco_crazy
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Balidas
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: AWD 1976 Westy with 3.6 Subaru Motor and Driveline |
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| soooo, I am trying to purchase and ship in this adventure high top roof. Do you all think there is a market for me sending this roof to have a mold made and retail off bay window high top kits? Nobody is making them and with the Vanlife movement in full swing...... do you think I could get enough sales to offset the mold making cost? |
Better yet, make a mold then cast my own CARBON FIBER one!!! Oh yeah, that's the ticket!! |
I'd go carbon fiber. I've often thought about a carbon fiber roof for my bay. |
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