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keithca91 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:03 am Post subject: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo |
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Hi,
I am currently restoring a 1951 beetle and would like to use a 12V dynamo without making any irreversible changes to the car or the engine, Any suggestions please?
An easier option would be to put in a 60s engine, But I would prefer to keep it's engine running in the car.
The Engine is 25hp and still has the 6v original dynamo. |
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mackaymanx Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2006 Posts: 479 Location: Australia
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:37 am Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo |
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There are 12v generators (38A)from industrial engines around which use the 6v case. Not sure how well they fit a 25hp but they fit the 36hps. There are also 12v starters with the 6v pinion, also from industrial engines. _________________ [url=http://www.vw-mplate.com/mplate2-18600.png]Click to view image[/URL] |
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keithca91 Samba Member
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5967 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:26 am Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo |
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You can run a 6v starter on 12v, the engine will spin faster and start easier. Put your original on a shelf for safe keeping and pick up a rebuilt 6v starter. _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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keithca91 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:29 am Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo |
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Thanks a lot for the replies. do you think that the below dynamo will for a 25hp engine?
VW part number is: 113.903.031
Bosch part number: Bosch 0-101-206-116 14V/38A |
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wimkever Samba Member
Joined: July 16, 2004 Posts: 411 Location: Holland (the Netherlands)
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo |
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keithca91 wrote: |
Thanks a lot for the replies. do you think that the below dynamo will for a 25hp engine?
VW part number is: 113.903.031
Bosch part number: Bosch 0-101-206-116 14V/38A |
It seems so :
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=292185 _________________ a beetle is like a cocker spaniel, always funny but sometimes not listening |
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Ovally Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2014 Posts: 476 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo |
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Alternator kit?
http://www.repuestossam.com/en/electricity/e002.html
Regards. _________________ VW Bug Oval 1953
VW Bug 1200 D motor
Porsche 911S MFI 1970
Mazda 929 Hardtop 1977
Mercedes SLC 180 Roadster 2018 |
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56samba Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2015 Posts: 262 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:13 am Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo |
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These generators (along with matching regulator!) are plug and play items to convert your 25/36 hp engine to 12 V. Of course you want to adjust your electrics to the increased voltage, so that changing bulbs, rewiring semaphores etc is mandatory.
Persoanlly, I run 12 v on my oval too but kept the 6 V starter and there aren't any issues yet. Rewiring the semaphores is not necessary if you use appropriate restistances...
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:33 am Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo |
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You need a 90mm Porsche 356 or early 912 generator. They are getting harder to find and quite expensive.
This is a pretty good thread on the topic.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=647409&start=0 _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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pastellgreen Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2012 Posts: 1047 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo |
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Using a 6V starter with 12 Volt did ruin the teeth of my flywheel after one year, be aware of this possibility. My engine could not start any longer until I changed the flywheel. |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo |
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pastellgreen wrote: |
Using a 6V starter with 12 Volt did ruin the teeth of my flywheel after one year, be aware of this possibility. My engine could not start any longer until I changed the flywheel. |
This happens when you don't change the solenoid to a 12v unit. The 6 volt solenoid really slams the bendix gear into the flywheel when run on 12 volts. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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petrol punk Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:54 am Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo |
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Is this using a regular late model alternator? They're a larger diameter. If they are just putting a spacer between the alternator and stand it seems like that would raise the alternator and thus the whole fan shroud by quite a bit. _________________ 36hp '56 European DeLuxe oval, '70 bug 1835cc dual 36DRLA, and a '98 4x4 5spd single cab Tacoma |
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pig-pen Samba Member
Joined: December 04, 2012 Posts: 570 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo |
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petrol punk wrote: |
Is this using a regular late model alternator? They're a larger diameter. If they are just putting a spacer between the alternator and stand it seems like that would raise the alternator and thus the whole fan shroud by quite a bit. |
I came close to getting this set up, but then found a 90mm Porsche unit.. the alternator kit as far as I remember also extends the bottom of the fan shroud (welding) to suit and looked like a really good idea to me. Although maybe the shroud was part of the deal? It was a while ago so a bit hazy. Plus any parts I have bought from that seller have been really good so far. _________________ 1954 L227 Type 113
1964 L31 Type 265 |
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