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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:03 am    Post subject: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo Reply with quote

Hi,

I am currently restoring a 1951 beetle and would like to use a 12V dynamo without making any irreversible changes to the car or the engine, Any suggestions please?

An easier option would be to put in a 60s engine, But I would prefer to keep it's engine running in the car.

The Engine is 25hp and still has the 6v original dynamo.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:37 am    Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo Reply with quote

There are 12v generators (38A)from industrial engines around which use the 6v case. Not sure how well they fit a 25hp but they fit the 36hps. There are also 12v starters with the 6v pinion, also from industrial engines.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:55 am    Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo Reply with quote

are these something I can buy as a reproduction part ?

I recently saw something for sale.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2498687
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:26 am    Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo Reply with quote

You can run a 6v starter on 12v, the engine will spin faster and start easier. Put your original on a shelf for safe keeping and pick up a rebuilt 6v starter.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:29 am    Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo Reply with quote

Thanks a lot for the replies. do you think that the below dynamo will for a 25hp engine?

VW part number is: 113.903.031
Bosch part number: Bosch 0-101-206-116 14V/38A
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:21 pm    Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo Reply with quote

keithca91 wrote:
Thanks a lot for the replies. do you think that the below dynamo will for a 25hp engine?

VW part number is: 113.903.031
Bosch part number: Bosch 0-101-206-116 14V/38A

It seems so :
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=292185
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:06 pm    Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo Reply with quote

Alternator kit?

http://www.repuestossam.com/en/electricity/e002.html

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:13 am    Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo Reply with quote

These generators (along with matching regulator!) are plug and play items to convert your 25/36 hp engine to 12 V. Of course you want to adjust your electrics to the increased voltage, so that changing bulbs, rewiring semaphores etc is mandatory.
Persoanlly, I run 12 v on my oval too but kept the 6 V starter and there aren't any issues yet. Rewiring the semaphores is not necessary if you use appropriate restistances...

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:33 am    Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo Reply with quote

You need a 90mm Porsche 356 or early 912 generator. They are getting harder to find and quite expensive.

This is a pretty good thread on the topic.


https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=647409&start=0
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo Reply with quote

Using a 6V starter with 12 Volt did ruin the teeth of my flywheel after one year, be aware of this possibility. My engine could not start any longer until I changed the flywheel.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:27 pm    Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo Reply with quote

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Using a 6V starter with 12 Volt did ruin the teeth of my flywheel after one year, be aware of this possibility. My engine could not start any longer until I changed the flywheel.


This happens when you don't change the solenoid to a 12v unit. The 6 volt solenoid really slams the bendix gear into the flywheel when run on 12 volts.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo Reply with quote

Ovally wrote:
Alternator kit?

http://www.repuestossam.com/en/electricity/e002.html

Regards.


Is this using a regular late model alternator? They're a larger diameter. If they are just putting a spacer between the alternator and stand it seems like that would raise the alternator and thus the whole fan shroud by quite a bit.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:06 pm    Post subject: Re: 1951 split bug 6V -> 12V dynamo Reply with quote

petrol punk wrote:
Ovally wrote:
Alternator kit?

http://www.repuestossam.com/en/electricity/e002.html

Regards.


Is this using a regular late model alternator? They're a larger diameter. If they are just putting a spacer between the alternator and stand it seems like that would raise the alternator and thus the whole fan shroud by quite a bit.



I came close to getting this set up, but then found a 90mm Porsche unit.. the alternator kit as far as I remember also extends the bottom of the fan shroud (welding) to suit and looked like a really good idea to me. Although maybe the shroud was part of the deal? It was a while ago so a bit hazy. Plus any parts I have bought from that seller have been really good so far.
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