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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

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Are you saying number three plug does not torque down?


Haven’t put that much pressure on any of them yet. I am hopeful that it will but it remains to be seen.


If it doesn’t torque down then you’ll need an insert.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

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Are you saying number three plug does not torque down?


Haven’t put that much pressure on any of them yet. I am hopeful that it will but it remains to be seen.


If it doesn’t torque down then you’ll need an insert.


Happy there is something to need if there’s a problem. Thought perhaps is might’ve been time for the crusher.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

I would check for thread damage on #3. Look to see if there might be a helicoil repair. There's some excellent posts on page 8 of this thread.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=615130
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:00 am    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

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I would check for thread damage on #3. Look to see if there might be a helicoil repair. There's some excellent posts on page 8 of this thread.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=615130


Thanks Marc— interesting and informative!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

Well, all plugs torqued to 22 (the lowest in the acceptable range), so it looks like we have threads people! Unless there is some terrible payment down the line, it seems prudent to keep torque on the low end given the age of the engine.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:29 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

Going European are we?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

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Going European are we?


Seems only right for our car— it was delivered to Raffey Hamburg in ‘59.
Not looking forward to the trial and error method of getting all the other pieces necessary though.
So I assume the little lights in the headlights come on with the parking lights?
Wait, I see by the manual that those little lights ARE the parking lights. The lights below the headlights are only directional lights.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

So the crank pulley nut is bigger than anything we’ve got. I measured it at 30mm and duly purchased a 30mm wrench. So why is it not a perfect fit— a bit loose?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia feve Reply with quote

Trylon wrote:
So the crank pulley nut is bigger than anything we’ve got. I measured it at 30mm and duly purchased a 30mm wrench. So why is it not a perfect fit— a bit loose?


I’ve always used an adjustable wrench.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia feve Reply with quote

kingkarmann wrote:
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So the crank pulley nut is bigger than anything we’ve got. I measured it at 30mm and duly purchased a 30mm wrench. So why is it not a perfect fit— a bit loose?


I’ve always used an adjustable wrench.


Looks like we should get a shallow socket— how else can we torque it back on?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:27 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

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Going European are we?


Seems only right for our car— it was delivered to Raffey Hamburg in ‘59.
Not looking forward to the trial and error method of getting all the other pieces necessary though.
So I assume the little lights in the headlights come on with the parking lights?
Wait, I see by the manual that those little lights ARE the parking lights. The lights below the headlights are only directional lights.


The marker lights are part of the headlight assembly for the Euro set up. For the North American set up, the markers are part of the blinker assembly. This stems back to the days when the lenses were clear glass and white light was fine for the function. Amber light is mandated these days. You can determine which blinker is installed by looking for the number of filaments. Double filaments for North America and single for Euro ( obviously since the marker lights in the Headlamp).

If you have the wiring loom set for North America you might have to relocate the marker wire from the blinker to the headlight. It's not a difficult task, just fiddly. You can still use the double filament bulb in the blinker. I jumpered both filaments so they work together as blinkers, even though I have a NOS set of Euro blinkers I haven't swapped them in as yet. The bulbs are not interchangeable. Dual filaments bulbs have two contacts and staggered bayonet studs although I have seen instances where people have jammed them in.

I hope that provided some illumination on the topic for you.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:30 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia feve Reply with quote

Trylon wrote:
kingkarmann wrote:
Trylon wrote:
So the crank pulley nut is bigger than anything we’ve got. I measured it at 30mm and duly purchased a 30mm wrench. So why is it not a perfect fit— a bit loose?


I’ve always used an adjustable wrench.


Looks like we should get a shallow socket— how else can we torque it back on?

Proper torque is a good thing but in this case The bolt can be confidently tightened with an adjustable. No need for a torque measurement. The pulley is keyed and it’s a snug fit to the crankshaft. If that bolt is firmly tightened the bolt and pulley will stay in place.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:30 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

sputnick60 wrote:
Trylon wrote:
sputnick60 wrote:
Going European are we?


Seems only right for our car— it was delivered to Raffey Hamburg in ‘59.
Not looking forward to the trial and error method of getting all the other pieces necessary though.
So I assume the little lights in the headlights come on with the parking lights?
Wait, I see by the manual that those little lights ARE the parking lights. The lights below the headlights are only directional lights.


The marker lights are part of the headlight assembly for the Euro set up. For the North American set up, the markers are part of the blinker assembly. This stems back to the days when the lenses were clear glass and white light was fine for the function. Amber light is mandated these days. You can determine which blinker is installed by looking for the number of filaments. Double filaments for North America and single for Euro ( obviously since the marker lights in the Headlamp).

If you have the wiring loom set for North America you might have to relocate the marker wire from the blinker to the headlight. It's not a difficult task, just fiddly. You can still use the double filament bulb in the blinker. I jumpered both filaments so they work together as blinkers, even though I have a NOS set of Euro blinkers I haven't swapped them in as yet. The bulbs are not interchangeable. Dual filaments bulbs have two contacts and staggered bayonet studs although I have seen instances where people have jammed them in.

I hope that provided some illumination on the topic for you.

Nicholas.


Ha! Illuminating yes! But so dense as to dazzle. Gonna have to spend some time to parse all this and make a plan.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:05 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia feve Reply with quote

kingkarmann wrote:
Trylon wrote:
kingkarmann wrote:
Trylon wrote:
So the crank pulley nut is bigger than anything we’ve got. I measured it at 30mm and duly purchased a 30mm wrench. So why is it not a perfect fit— a bit loose?


I’ve always used an adjustable wrench.


Looks like we should get a shallow socket— how else can we torque it back on?

Proper torque is a good thing but in this case The bolt can be confidently tightened with an adjustable. No need for a torque measurement. The pulley is keyed and it’s a snug fit to the crankshaft. If that bolt is firmly tightened the bolt and pulley will stay in place.


Good to know but you know, if there’s a number… well…let’s just say I can’t help myself.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:36 am    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

To those who have ordered Karmann Ghia Fever T’s— I have extended the closing date by a week so orders will be shipping a week later than they would have. Just posted on a facebook page to see if we can drum up a few more sales.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:39 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

Got the wheel back on (as the starter is in), put it back on all fours and in fourth with the e-brake on:

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Loosened frightfully easily. I think I could have used a pair of pliers.
Sheesh.

Awaiting the puller.
Picking up NOS manifold on Tuesday.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:11 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

I think you have the wrong crankshaft pulley it looks like a later style.

Here is a pic of the two most common 36 hp style. One is thin lip one fat.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

Braukuche wrote:
I think you have the wrong crankshaft pulley it looks like a later style.

Here is a pic of the two most common 36 hp style. One is thin lip one fat.

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Well that’s a total surprise, isn’t it?

So which is this:

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My guess is thin lipped.

One of these?

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2341131

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2437492

Or is the last one fat lipped?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:11 am    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

This sounds authoritative:

3foldfolly wrote:
All 36 hp pulleys had an offset of 7/32nds" from the nose of the hub to the back lip of the pulley. Diameter was 7-3/16" from the beginning of 54 through the 59 model year. The diameter was reduced at the beginning of the 1960 model year to 6-63/64". The offset was changed with the introduction of the 40 hp to 23/64". So three 36hp pulleys: 54-55 with larger diameter and non-rolled edge, 56-59 with larger diameter and rolled edge and 1960 smaller diameter with rolled edge.

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