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neilswheels Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2004 Posts: 26 Location: England
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:54 am Post subject: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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The time has come to sell my Berg motor, bought in 82. Its never been assembled, still in the Berg boxes. Have all receipts, and various correspondence with Gene at the time to workout what to buy.
It has an 86 porsche journal wedgemated crank and flywheel, Bugpack rods, Clyde Berg heads, cam which is clearanced by Berg for the crank, bolt up rocker gear, basically a load of stuff. Im trying to get a feel for value, its a full engine minus barrels and pistions (because I couldnt see the point on importing them to the UK)
I might possibly sell the crank and rods separately
Any guidance appreciated |
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vwinnovator Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 1555 Location: Still doing it in the back of your VW
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:11 am Post subject: Re: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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It's really about what you want to "let it go"...the value to buyers will vary based on who "wants" and who "needs"
For instance..the porsche journal turned out to be an OK idea, but not really the greatest. The thin brgs (and often lack of ability to find good ones) made them not ideal for long life.
Custom welded heads that were in the $2500-3500 range back then, have much less value now that many "as cast" heads flow just as much and are avail in the $1000-1500 range.
Berg was ahead of the game, but manufacturing has caught up over the last 40yrs to lessen the cost of equivalent performance.
kind of like the first computers were expensive (cost to performance) to how inexpensive they are now (cost to performance) |
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Stripped66 Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2005 Posts: 3467 Location: Charleston, SC
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:14 am Post subject: Re: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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I think you would have better success obtaining an estimate and/or selling your Berg components over on the Cal-look forum: http://www.cal-look.no/lounge/
You'll have a larger audience of people local to you, and valuation specific to its vintage and collectability within the Cal-Look community, not simply its performance relative to contemporary options. _________________
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Lingwendil Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 3987 Location: Antioch, California, a block from the hood
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sled Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:54 am Post subject: Re: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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neilswheels wrote: |
I might possibly sell the crank and rods separately
Any guidance appreciated |
selling all of the parts separately is the best way to maximize your return. _________________ drive your split. |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:42 am Post subject: Re: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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Im sure some bergite like glenn would be happy to take it off your hands, somebody else may even pay you what its' worth.and some will pay more.good luck |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:40 am Post subject: Re: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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mark tucker wrote: |
Im sure some bergite like glenn would be happy to take it off your hands, somebody else may even pay you what its' worth.and some will pay more.good luck |
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Seems like everyone has heard of Gene even though he’s been dead since 1996.
What’s you name again ? Mark Who. |
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15280 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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I would call Gene Berg Ent. and ask. I'm sure Doug, Clyde, or Gary would be able to give you a real value and possible people interested in buying. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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texastomeh Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2018 Posts: 291 Location: Dallas, TX
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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vwinnovator wrote:
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......but manufacturing has caught up over the last 40yrs to lessen the cost of equivalent performance.
kind of like the first computers were expensive (cost to performance) to how inexpensive they are now (cost to performance) |
Absolutely the truth!!
That is the reason that I am delaying the building of my ultimate engine.
I figure that if I wait long enough I will be able to get INFINITE PERFORMANCE for ZERO COST!!
Tom _________________ A new engine build won't solve ALL of life's problems - only those THAT REALLY MATTER!!!
GETTING old was GREAT - BEING old SUCKS!!
Too bad that the guys that know how to solve all of the WORLD's problems are too busy working on old Volkswagens!! |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76760 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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Plenty of CRAP, cough EMPI cough, out there.
_________________ Glenn
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nextgen Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 6008 Location: CONGERS, N.Y.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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I agree with vwinnovator,
{Berg was ahead of the game, but manufacturing has caught up over the last 40yrs to lessen the cost of equivalent performance}.
To this day the Berg parts in general are excellent but that was the time of Bug-Spray Carbs and lets see what we can get that is on a Porsche that will work on our bugs.
A lot of experimentation was going on. Think about it, in 82 practically no one knew what a T-4 engine was, and the thought of putting that engine was known to blow valve seats in two ton buses in a bug would be crazy. Well it wasn't till 1989 when I built my first T-4 conversion, then in 92 when I wrote my manual and Jake Rabe and Joe of DTM fame brought advance T-4 engine it to the attention here in the U.S. My point look at how far T-4 in bugs has come since 92 -- we are talking1982 for the Berg engine. _________________ email: [email protected]
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76760 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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The Berg GB202F is still the only gland nut I would ever use. _________________ Glenn
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7527 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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86 Berg crank from ‘82 would be the Swedish forging, right?
Wedgemated/balanced..
That’s some of the best of the best that just you can’t get today.
Can’t really compare that to a China crank no matter who is selling it.
The right guy will pay top dollar. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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vwinnovator Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 1555 Location: Still doing it in the back of your VW
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RCP Phx Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2021 Posts: 496 Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:55 am Post subject: Re: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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The shipping cost from the UK would be insane! |
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VeloMikey Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2012 Posts: 646 Location: So Cal
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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Ship everything to Gary (Berg), have him build it and sell it as a complete motor for upwards of $10K (US). That is what a woman did with her dead husbands stash of Berg parts. _________________ '58 Ghia 2387cc with a Berg / Folts 5 Speed
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croSSeduP Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 1105 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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neilswheels wrote: |
The time has come to sell my Berg motor, bought in 82. Its never been assembled, still in the Berg boxes. Have all receipts, and various correspondence with Gene at the time to workout what to buy.
It has an 86 porsche journal wedgemated crank and flywheel, Bugpack rods, Clyde Berg heads, cam which is clearanced by Berg for the crank, bolt up rocker gear, basically a load of stuff. Im trying to get a feel for value, its a full engine minus barrels and pistions (because I couldnt see the point on importing them to the UK)
I might possibly sell the crank and rods separately
Any guidance appreciated |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12632 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:13 am Post subject: Re: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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To all those that think those parts are too "dated" to be useful... what the #@*&@ are you thinking of putting them into?
A 2022 Cadillac?
No - I suspect it's a 50 year old VW... that's pretty dated too...
I am running a set of 35+ year old carbs on my 49 year old VW and love them! Yes FI is a better choice but is it in keeping with the nostalgic theme of my car?
Those parts in my view should be worth more than many of the present Chinese copies. They are the ones that they copied... _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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vwinnovator Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 1555 Location: Still doing it in the back of your VW
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:06 am Post subject: Re: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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oprn wrote: |
To all those that think those parts are too "dated" to be useful... what the #@*&@ are you thinking of putting them into?
A 2022 Cadillac?
No - I suspect it's a 50 year old VW... that's pretty dated too...
I am running a set of 35+ year old carbs on my 49 year old VW and love them! Yes FI is a better choice but is it in keeping with the nostalgic theme of my car?
Those parts in my view should be worth more than many of the present Chinese copies. They are the ones that they copied... |
Well for 40 yrs they have been put into STORAGE.
How much would you pay for them to put them into an engine and start wearing the "NOS" off them??
$500 for the crank? $1000?, $2000? $5000?
As soon as they are put in they are USED and then where's the value?
There's a balance between the value as a collectible item vs. a put into use item.
What would the purpose of use be? to drag race @9000rpm maybe 50 runs a year (killing the porche journal brgs) or to build an engine that is babied in hopes to do 100,000 miles over the next 20yrs?
If you think about it...many berg parts stopped being avail / produced because the cost/purpose was overpriced to the market.
FWIW, I have several "NOS" berg items sitting around as well..
What's the value of a set of berg NOS valve keepers in packaging?
$100?, $20, $5?
How about the 3 puck "tranny breaker" clutch discs? |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76760 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:11 am Post subject: Re: NOS Berg engine from '82 - value? |
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A few years ago I sold a nos bosch screamer kit which I had sitting under my work bench for 20 years. The new owner installed it in his period correct gtv engine. _________________ Glenn
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