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matics Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2022 Posts: 25 Location: SF Bay Area
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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I'm curious about the conflicting advise on whether to add an auxiliary transmission cooler or not. I recently purchased a 2003 EV weekender, added a Scangauge to monitor the transmission fluid temperature and was alarmed that the temperature reached 250 while going through a drive thru in 65 degree weather. That seems way high and I've scheduled to have a transmission cooler installed because every time it goes north of 230, I start to freak out. Are you saying it could be the just the fluid. |
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white_one Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2022 Posts: 115 Location: California
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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Abscate wrote: |
I’m not a fan for aftermarket cooler hype but they make sense if
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I had no idea there was any controversy around transmission coolers. I still plan on adding one. Lots of summer trips to the Sierra's are in my future - I think it makes sense. |
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white_one Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2022 Posts: 115 Location: California
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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Small Update while I wait on parts.
Cupholders are replaced.
I forgot to get a before picture, but here's the ones that were in the van
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white_one Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2022 Posts: 115 Location: California
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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Another small update. The back 7 windows were tinted. And it's failing. I've continued on the tint removal.
This is not a picture of a house. It's the last moments of this tints existence.
starting to peal it off
most off, a little remaining. You are mostly looking at glue residue.
here's the horrible purple haze of the back window.
goodbye!
More pics to follow. Still waiting on wiring harnesses to arrive so I can reassemble the front interior. |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22670 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:46 am Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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white_one wrote: |
Abscate wrote: |
I’m not a fan for aftermarket cooler hype but they make sense if
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I had no idea there was any controversy around transmission coolers. I still plan on adding one. Lots of summer trips to the Sierra's are in my future - I think it makes sense. |
It’s not controversial to the people selling them. Take a trip and monitor your atf temp for your load and driving style. Then read up on etc temperatures from the atf manufacturers not the interwebs. Change your ATF every 40k
If you think hose clamps go on with a screwdriver , don’t put on an external cooler. _________________ .ssS! |
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matics Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2022 Posts: 25 Location: SF Bay Area
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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Abscate wrote: |
white_one wrote: |
Abscate wrote: |
I’m not a fan for aftermarket cooler hype but they make sense if
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I had no idea there was any controversy around transmission coolers. I still plan on adding one. Lots of summer trips to the Sierra's are in my future - I think it makes sense. |
It’s not controversial to the people selling them. Take a trip and monitor your atf temp for your load and driving style. Then read up on etc temperatures from the atf manufacturers not the interwebs. Change your ATF every 40k
If you think hose clamps go on with a screwdriver , don’t put on an external cooler. |
Could you kindly share what is a reasonable temperature for a few scenarios? I wasn't expecting to see my fluid temperature rise to over 250 while idling in a drive thru line for 10 minutes. Is 250 reasonable with respect to these transmissions? I'm very curious to know. |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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It's less a controversy and more a minor difference of opinion. Theoretically the heat exchanger would keep the ATF fairly close to coolant temp, but doesn't always work out that way. High heat idling and long grades can heat soak the ATF pan supply, such that your temps far exceed those of the coolant.
Ideally there'd be a quality heat exchanger along with a thermostatically controlled aux. cooler for those times when you need one. There's probably a way to do this, but until then I opted for an aux. setup. Also, older or poor quality heat exchangers can and will dump coolant into the trans or ATF into the coolant. The former will kill a trans, and the latter is an ugly mess to clean up--BTDT.
The quip about the hose clamps is definitely a point of agreement. My next install will use threaded fittings. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22670 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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From the pentosin data sheet
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Ideal for cold weather climates, Pentosin Hydraulic Fluids are synthetic-based and have an operating temperature range from -40°F (-40°C) to +275°F (+135°C). In fact, they're guaranteed to work perfectly even under extreme temperature changes. |
_________________ .ssS! |
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gesoffen Samba Member
Joined: August 22, 2009 Posts: 139 Location: NoVA, USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:28 am Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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After about 6 months of owning my '03 EVW, I recently installed the gowesty trans cooler. I elected to install the cooler due to the trans temps that I noted (scan gauge) during summer months. In stop and go traffic, I'd see trans temps up to ~260F.
The highest temp I noted was during an "off road" climb to a camp/hiking site. Quotes are around off-road because it was a gravel trail with a couple of shallow stream crossings - mostly uphill and a lot of switch backs. This trip saw temps into the ~270F range and I did get a OBD code P0741 (torque converter lockup) as a result. No significant drivability issues though.
My take away is that the fluid may be rated for temps up to ~275F but the ECU doesn't like it. Certainly, frequent fluid/filter changes are a good mitigation strategy as is using quality fluid.
I put the gowesty kit on this winter so have not had the chance to replicate the warm weather conditions above. I chose the gowesty kit due to the following:
- eliminates the stock cooler (potential failure point for ATF/coolant cross contamination)
- uses threaded connections in most places. The only place hose clamps are used in the ATF circuit is at the heat exchanger but they supply oetiker clamps (2x per fitting).
- has a thermostat that fully opens at 180F.
Components can be sourced separately for cheaper but then you don't get the benefit of one place to call if you have installation or warranty issues. |
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matics Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2022 Posts: 25 Location: SF Bay Area
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:29 am Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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gesoffen wrote: |
I put the gowesty kit on this winter so have not had the chance to replicate the warm weather conditions above. I chose the gowesty kit due to the following:
- eliminates the stock cooler (potential failure point for ATF/coolant cross contamination)
- uses threaded connections in most places. The only place hose clamps are used in the ATF circuit is at the heat exchanger but they supply oetiker clamps (2x per fitting).
- has a thermostat that fully opens at 180F.
Components can be sourced separately for cheaper but then you don't get the benefit of one place to call if you have installation or warranty issues. |
Does anyone have any experience with the cooler kit from German Transaxle (https://www.germantransaxle.com/Automatic-Eurovan-Aftermarket-Cooler-Kit.htm?m=97%26s=698%26id=1377)? My Eurovan came with an uninstalled cooler from German Transaxle and I wanted to better understand how important the use of threaded connections in the Gowesty kit is. Does someone have the German Transaxle cooler installed in their vans? The box I received says Tru-Cool Max. |
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samba415 Samba Member
Joined: November 29, 2017 Posts: 51 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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Perfectly good thread called "Transmission cooler" here. Lets let the OP continue their rebuild thread... _________________ Old stable: '63 Baja, '69 Square, '72 Bug, '65 & '67 Samba, '73 412 wagon & 2dr 4spd
Current: '04 Golf TDI, '03 Weekender |
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white_one Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2022 Posts: 115 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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Updates!
Door switch harness showed up today. Here's the old one and they "new" one.
Interior lights work again! Huge relief. Unfortunately the windows switch hardness as not yet shown up, so the interior is still in pieces.
Here's my headlight switch. My guess is someone tried to remove, but didn't know how - thus the crack.
Minor damage behind the switch
but now it looks good!
On to the seats (more updates to come). I used to have one armrest with a tear.
No Longer
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white_one Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2022 Posts: 115 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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Updates!
The electrical issues continue... each time I address something, a new problem comes up. I've had it - Van is going into a mechanic tomorrow.
In the meantime I've been detailing the exterior. The paint was not glossy. Scratches and haziness were everyone. Photos do not do a good job of showing the before and after.
Here's a photo of the van when I picked it up. Notice that the surroundings are not reflected in the paint.
Here's a closeup of the passenger rear. Notice the haziness above the sliding track.
Here's a close up. The panel on the left is polished. On the right you can see some of the imperfections.
Now the sliding door is polished, but the front passenger door is not
Here is the passenger side completed.
Here's an example of a white mark in the paint before and after
Here's a the driver rear quarter. You can see the paint has scraped something
After polishing. Not perfect, but much better.
And the finished result. Van is slowly getting better
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white_one Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2022 Posts: 115 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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Minor update. The crossbars of the roof rack were all missing their end caps.
No longer!
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:56 am Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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I love the Hazel Assistent I see in the reflection. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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white_one Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
I love the Hazet Assistent I see in the reflection. |
It’s pretty sweet. I’ve had it for 5 or 6 years. It’s great as a toolbox you can wheel around, but then pack up and put away. I only keep an old set of Facom Allen keys, and a bicycle chain cleaner in it. You could easily fit a complete set of hand tools - but it would get too heavy to pick up. I use it all over the garage and drive way as a mobile table and tool box.
Here it is stored away
Pulled out
And set up
You can see it is covered in polish splatter. |
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white_one Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2022 Posts: 115 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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Wiring problem has been solved!
The issue started in the passenger front door. The thinking is the rubber boot was re-installed incorrectly after bodywork. It resulted in a wire that frayed - ultimately a hard short to ground.
The thought is that current then flowed through the switched ground of the door light switch circuit, and fried it. Once the ground wire got hot, it melted adjacent wires.
Here's some picks of the carnage. I got lucky on this one - this should have been much worse.
Here's the door harness
and some close ups of melted wires
Here's the ground harness that bolts to driver side A pillar, under the dash
Here's what I am adding to the Van for fire safety
fire extinguisher:
compact smoke detector:
Battery cut off switches
Vans back! It's been away for 10 days. Now on to some fun projects. |
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white_one Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2022 Posts: 115 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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Saturday was a beach day. Not bad for February.
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white_one Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2022 Posts: 115 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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Today's job was to quiet down some interior squeaks. My picture taking wasn't so good today. This is an easy job, just time consuming. Removed the C and D pillar covers, and then all the panels against the top bunk.
Tools of the job are felt and friction tape
And cover everything (Here my picture taking really failed.)
Results - Much quieter. The whole top used to creak when pulling into my driveway. This is just round 1. There are still squeaks in the van, but fewer than before. The ones I hear now are new to me - I couldn't hear them before. More to come. |
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white_one Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2022 Posts: 115 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: New to the family 2001 Eurovan Weekender |
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Van went in for paintless dent removal today.
I tried marking every dent with a piece of blue tape. I missed at least 6. They are predominately on the doors. I did not take any close up pictures. They range from tiny dents (less than an inch in diameter, to maybe 4x6".
Should have it back by Friday. It will not be perfect, but certainly better than it was. Will post results. |
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