bus trans into type 1 pan

[joemama]

I have a 5 rib trans that I installed into my buggy with a 10 degree mount. The trans worked fine, but at times had to wiggle and play with the shifter to get it to shift. After removing it to work on a bad IRS conversion, I now think the shifting problem was due to the front/nosecone end not been centered in the tunnel, mounted too low. I was ready to change everything and go back to a type 1 trans, but it seems a shame as I have everything to run type 2 axles, C.V.'s, etc. I have advertised the trans for sale, but not sold it.
What other options do I have if I want to keep the shift rod in the tunnel. Has anyone had good success with the 10 degree mount, and mine was installed wrong? Is there a conversion nose cone available, and where? I previously ran a swingaxle with 4.37, and liked it, but used the buggy almost exclusively in Big Bear, and thought the 5 rib ratio would help on the trails. Now looks like things are going to change, and Ill be using the buggy on flatter, lower altitude terrain.
By the way, the motor is a fairly mild 1915.

[stealth67vw]

Gene Berg and Erco make a bus 002 or 091 intermediate housing to use a type 1 nose cone to keep the shift linkage in the tunnel. It requires a complete teardown.
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JB Machining Services
1967 street Bug 2276 w/ 48 IDAs, 2020lbs with driver
7.76 @ 89.55mph 1/8 mile
12.34 and 108.10 mph 1/4 mile

[stealth67vw]

https://weddleindustries.com/products/new-products/bus-bug-gear-carrier-housing-vw-091-transaxles


http://www.geneberg.com/cat.php?cPath=12_363
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John Bates
JB Machining Services
1967 street Bug 2276 w/ 48 IDAs, 2020lbs with driver
7.76 @ 89.55mph 1/8 mile
12.34 and 108.10 mph 1/4 mile

[tripicana]

What are you using for a shift rod coupler?
My 3rib 10degree setup has an adjustable end with a universal.
Never a problem shifting.

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[joemama]

I am using an adjustable coupler, seems like I should add an universal joint. Is that an item available at buggy supply places, like Moore parts?
Is the shifting on your 002 as smooth as with a type 1 trans? That intermediate housing would be cool, but I am not ready to rebuild the trans yet.
Thanks.

[tripicana]

I believe the u joint came from mckenzies
It shifts just like a stock trans

I bought it the same time I ordered my trans mount kit. I don’t see either on their website, you may have to ask them
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[Dan the workingstiff]

tripicana, LOVE your signature line,AWESOME! lol

I ran my 5-rib in my rail, In the process of putting it in my buggy. I will probably go with the Weddle piece, HARSH multi- roll over, trans hums in gear now, needs looking to.
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'66 FG buggy
My other air-cooled's
'76 IH 1200
'75 IH 1200

[joemama]

So, question for you guys that run a 002, 3 rib or 5 rib. I have driven 3 rails with those trans, and it seems that on all of them, as well as my buggy, 3rd gear kind of howls. Is that normal, and something I should expect, or something that goes away with a rebuild?

[jsturtlebuggy]

joemama, is your 002 solid mounted or are you using some kind of softer mounts?
If it solid mounted it will transmit all kinds of noise. It should not be noisy in any one gear unless it has something that is wearing out.
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Fair Oaks/Orangevale, CA
Elrod Motorsports
Motion Tire Motorsports
Having fun with Dune Buggies since 1970
Into Volkswagens since 1960

[joemama]

I was using a 10 degree mount kit, which uses red urethane mounts, so probably not as soft as stock ones.

[Dan the workingstiff]

I was solid mounts in my rail, been years but I don't remember any noise. Especially in a single gear.
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'69 Beetle
'66 FG buggy
My other air-cooled's
'76 IH 1200
'75 IH 1200

[joemama]

O.K. Sounds like it needs to be gone thru. Called McKenzies, and they have the universal joint in stock. I will pick one up in the next few days, though it will be a few months before I get things put back together. I have a couple of places not too far that can go thru the trans.

[jsturtlebuggy]

Shifting problems with a Bus trans can be worn out parts inside of nose cone.
The Bus is different then a bug as the hockey stick does not engage the shift rails like a Bug. It uses a relay linkage that the hockey goes into and the little plastic ball that always wears out causing slopping shifting. There a steel ball replacement. Linkage bracket also needs reinforcement as they break in half.
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Fair Oaks/Orangevale, CA
Elrod Motorsports
Motion Tire Motorsports
Having fun with Dune Buggies since 1970
Into Volkswagens since 1960

[jimmyhoffa]

^^ 100% true. I went from a worn-out bus box nosecone relay linkage and ball setup to a nice fixed up one with a steel ball when I did my close ratio build, and it was a world of a difference.

That said, if you're used to the "beetle trans" shift feeling, you will never get that with a bus box no matter what you do to the relay link setup. You'll only get the "beetle trans" feeling out of a bus box if you do the machine work for the shift rail hole in the maincase and use the beetle conversion gear carrier and nosecone, as mentioned.

IMHO, the best smoothest shifting bus box with original nosecone relay link design still shifts worse than the best shifting beetle trans, but both work great.
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