Author |
Message |
cruiser Samba Member
Joined: March 20, 2003 Posts: 206
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3448 Location: Vulcania
|
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: The Official 1965 Bug Registry |
|
|
I saw that car and followed the auction. I wonder how much that car would get dinged for points at an old VVCA or AACA event? Hope the buyer knows that. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Ceckert64 Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2015 Posts: 1931 Location: Manitowoc, WI
|
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: The Official 1965 Bug Registry |
|
|
Quote: |
I saw that car and followed the auction. I wonder how much that car would get dinged for points at an old VVCA or AACA event? Hope the buyer knows that. |
What would it get dinged for? Not the incorrect bumper bracket color? The lack of fuse panel cover? Incorrect door panels and seat vinyl? Lack of engine tarboard? The carpet/rubber mats? Missing horn grill block off? Exhaust tips? Missing electrical rubber tubes and seals? Headlight drain tubes and rubber? Glove box pull? But it is a really nice car though. It’s kinda like one of those kids puzzles where you find all the things wrong in the photo but everything is very subtle. _________________ 1964 sunroof Beetle Restoration "Herbie"
“Joann” 1970 Elm Green Squareback
1972 Sierra Yellow Tin Top Westfalia Camper
“Fitz” 1971 Westfalia Poptop |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3448 Location: Vulcania
|
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: The Official 1965 Bug Registry |
|
|
Ceckert64 wrote: |
Quote: |
I saw that car and followed the auction. I wonder how much that car would get dinged for points at an old VVCA or AACA event? Hope the buyer knows that. |
What would it get dinged for? Not the incorrect bumper bracket color? The lack of fuse panel cover? Incorrect door panels and seat vinyl? Lack of engine tarboard? The carpet/rubber mats? Missing horn grill block off? Exhaust tips? Missing electrical rubber tubes and seals? Headlight drain tubes and rubber? Glove box pull? But it is a really nice car though. It’s kinda like one of those kids puzzles where you find all the things wrong in the photo but everything is very subtle. |
You missed the black plastic plugs and the black door hinge screws.
for 37K it should be right! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
|
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: The Official 1965 Bug Registry |
|
|
very nice 65. bahama blue... great color. but as Aiden said, too many of the small details missing. or major in the eyes of a purist. stil a nice car tho. _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
67 Florida Deluxe Samba Purist
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 7987 Location: Gainesville and Tampa, Florida
|
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: The Official 1965 Bug Registry |
|
|
My '65 with just over 11k documented miles on the clock when I got it. Very interesting history and provenance. I purchased it from Jan Brundage (son of Hubert Brundage of Brundage VW and Porsche Jacksonville, FL, now Brumos.) It was a unique car with European bits on a US spec car. Being a VW dealership, they added 6-volt VW specific AC. Also being a Porsche dealership, they put Lemmerz Porsche 365 chrome wheels on it. It was originally titled to Mrs. Brundage (Jan's mom). I'll link an old thread about my literal "barn find" in desolate S. GA just a few miles north of the FL line. There was a white 356 parked by it, perpendicular, and obscured by the soda machine. Such a fascinating history on this little car and so glad I was able finally talk to Jan after owning the car for over 15 years. The car's sale was handled by an intermediary friend of Jan's. But I got a wild hair several years ago and tracked him down. Reached out via email and he called me. Wonderful discussion of the car and all things Hubert Brundage, Max Hoffman, Brundage Motors and also Brumos. '65 may be a boring year, but this little car's history is anything but boring!
Lots of pics in my gallery.
The first pic I ever saw in a Samba ad. I fell in love!
Look closely in the upper left. Can you see the Porsche 356?
A thread about my "barn find" '65
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0 _________________ -Kent (BaT "daleallen")
OG member of the '67 Posse
A few of my toys, past and present
'56 Oval, '66 KG Conv't, '67 21-Window, '67 Bug, '79 SuperVert, '55 Pre-A Continental |
|
Back to top |
|
|
67 Florida Deluxe Samba Purist
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 7987 Location: Gainesville and Tampa, Florida
|
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: The Official 1965 Bug Registry |
|
|
To add to my post above, here's the A/C. The system is 100% complete. The knob under the radio is the fader switch for the optional second speaker mounted under the rear window. The gauge to the left of the steering column is a VDO oil temperature gauge with a dipstick sending unit. Given the added AC, it was important to keep an eye on the engine temperature. All this was done in 1965 and I have the notes/invoices when it was done.
_________________ -Kent (BaT "daleallen")
OG member of the '67 Posse
A few of my toys, past and present
'56 Oval, '66 KG Conv't, '67 21-Window, '67 Bug, '79 SuperVert, '55 Pre-A Continental |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Ceckert64 Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2015 Posts: 1931 Location: Manitowoc, WI
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
67 Florida Deluxe Samba Purist
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 7987 Location: Gainesville and Tampa, Florida
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
|
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:20 am Post subject: Re: The Official 1965 Bug Registry |
|
|
67 Florida Deluxe wrote: |
Ceckert64 wrote: |
Wow! That’s an awesome original 65! That poor engine I wouldn’t want to go up a hill in that with the AC on for sure |
It probably steals at least 6 HP ! But in the flatlands of FL near sea level, the conditions are optimal. Going through the mountain passes of the Sierra Nevadas... HUGE difference |
Sweet Baby Jesus thats a magnificent car! Yeah, Florida is FLAT. And HUMID in most areas which helps cool air absorb more heat flowing over the cylinders and heads, thankfully. Otherwise i dont think most vdubs would make it during the summer or spring.
Again, thats a wonderful '65! _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3448 Location: Vulcania
|
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: The Official 1965 Bug Registry |
|
|
Chickensoup wrote: |
67 Florida Deluxe wrote: |
Ceckert64 wrote: |
Wow! That’s an awesome original 65! That poor engine I wouldn’t want to go up a hill in that with the AC on for sure |
It probably steals at least 6 HP ! But in the flatlands of FL near sea level, the conditions are optimal. Going through the mountain passes of the Sierra Nevadas... HUGE difference |
Sweet Baby Jesus thats a magnificent car! Yeah, Florida is FLAT. And HUMID in most areas which helps cool air absorb more heat flowing over the cylinders and heads, thankfully. Otherwise i dont think most vdubs would make it during the summer or spring.
Again, thats a wonderful '65! |
If you believe that adding humidity gets you more power because the air is denser – why not use 100% water…it's really dense! All the moisture does is take up space that could contain oxygen – therefore the power will drop off as humidity goes up.
Also – if you have ever piloted especially an air-cooled engine airplane you will know about humidity and temperature….it's important! And we have charts for settings.
Real vaporization of water does not take place in the intake manifold – if it did it would further decrease the space for oxygen – water will vaporize in the combustion chamber as the intake charge is compressed (heat goes up a lot during compression).
As far as intake temps – the colder and drier the better. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
67 Florida Deluxe Samba Purist
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 7987 Location: Gainesville and Tampa, Florida
|
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: The Official 1965 Bug Registry |
|
|
Helfen wrote: |
Chickensoup wrote: |
67 Florida Deluxe wrote: |
Ceckert64 wrote: |
Wow! That’s an awesome original 65! That poor engine I wouldn’t want to go up a hill in that with the AC on for sure |
It probably steals at least 6 HP ! But in the flatlands of FL near sea level, the conditions are optimal. Going through the mountain passes of the Sierra Nevadas... HUGE difference |
Sweet Baby Jesus thats a magnificent car! Yeah, Florida is FLAT. And HUMID in most areas which helps cool air absorb more heat flowing over the cylinders and heads, thankfully. Otherwise i dont think most vdubs would make it during the summer or spring.
Again, thats a wonderful '65! |
If you believe that adding humidity gets you more power because the air is denser – why not use 100% water…it's really dense! All the moisture does is take up space that could contain oxygen – therefore the power will drop off as humidity goes up.
Also – if you have ever piloted especially an air-cooled engine airplane you will know about humidity and temperature….it's important! And we have charts for settings.
Real vaporization of water does not take place in the intake manifold – if it did it would further decrease the space for oxygen – water will vaporize in the combustion chamber as the intake charge is compressed (heat goes up a lot during compression).
As far as intake temps – the colder and drier the better. |
There's a disconnect here. Chickensoup was referring to air flow over the cylinder heads, and not into the carb throat. I have no skin in the game here, but I have flown small airplanes. YES, humidity is a HUGE issue that affects carb performance (hence the carb heaters!), even on warm days. But although I cannot attest to the enthalpic effect on airflow over cylinder cans, and the effect on carb intake is notable, I think two different thoughts were operating in these two different posts _________________ -Kent (BaT "daleallen")
OG member of the '67 Posse
A few of my toys, past and present
'56 Oval, '66 KG Conv't, '67 21-Window, '67 Bug, '79 SuperVert, '55 Pre-A Continental |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
|
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:13 am Post subject: Re: The Official 1965 Bug Registry |
|
|
67 Florida Deluxe wrote: |
Helfen wrote: |
Chickensoup wrote: |
67 Florida Deluxe wrote: |
Ceckert64 wrote: |
Wow! That’s an awesome original 65! That poor engine I wouldn’t want to go up a hill in that with the AC on for sure |
It probably steals at least 6 HP ! But in the flatlands of FL near sea level, the conditions are optimal. Going through the mountain passes of the Sierra Nevadas... HUGE difference |
Sweet Baby Jesus thats a magnificent car! Yeah, Florida is FLAT. And HUMID in most areas which helps cool air absorb more heat flowing over the cylinders and heads, thankfully. Otherwise i dont think most vdubs would make it during the summer or spring.
Again, thats a wonderful '65! |
If you believe that adding humidity gets you more power because the air is denser – why not use 100% water…it's really dense! All the moisture does is take up space that could contain oxygen – therefore the power will drop off as humidity goes up.
Also – if you have ever piloted especially an air-cooled engine airplane you will know about humidity and temperature….it's important! And we have charts for settings.
Real vaporization of water does not take place in the intake manifold – if it did it would further decrease the space for oxygen – water will vaporize in the combustion chamber as the intake charge is compressed (heat goes up a lot during compression).
As far as intake temps – the colder and drier the better. |
There's a disconnect here. Chickensoup was referring to air flow over the cylinder heads, and not into the carb throat. I have no skin in the game here, but I have flown small airplanes. YES, humidity is a HUGE issue that affects carb performance (hence the carb heaters!), even on warm days. But although I cannot attest to the enthalpic effect on airflow over cylinder cans, and the effect on carb intake is notable, I think two different thoughts were operating in these two different posts |
thanks for clarifying here. Yes, i was referring to the humid air flowing over the cylinder and head fins.
Although, water in the combustion chamber does indeed help regulate temps and increase power output in most cases. Hense, why my 2180 will have water injection. _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
highwheelerboy22 Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2010 Posts: 20 Location: Rockford TN
|
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: The Official 1965 Bug Registry |
|
|
Originally shipped from Germany to Chicago then moved to California in the 60s until 2002 when it came to Tennessee . WAs off of the roads since 2012 when I bought it two years ago.
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
smeag Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2019 Posts: 70 Location: Cooper City, FL
|
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:03 am Post subject: Re: The Official 1965 Bug Registry |
|
|
Cleaned up very nice |
|
Back to top |
|
|
'64cal lookdub 1200 Deluxe
Joined: May 29, 2004 Posts: 1714 Location: TX
|
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: The Official 1965 Bug Registry |
|
|
Brought this sunroof sedan home yesterday, I’m looking forward to messing with it. I’m more of a Bus guy, haven’t had a Beetle in over a decade.
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
|
Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:24 am Post subject: Re: The Official 1965 Bug Registry |
|
|
highwheelerboy22, WOW that car cleaned up nicely. Good looking ride!
I always liked ruby red cars in stock form. Looks great '64cal lookdub _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
dcheek Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 511
|
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:11 am Post subject: Re: The Official 1965 Bug Registry |
|
|
My Bahama Blue '65
Original Paint and interior
41,000 miles
_________________ 1961 Bug
1965 Bug
1966 Sunroof Bug
1966 Westy
1976 914 2.0
1989 911 Carrera
1981 Diesel Rabbit Pick Up
1982 Diesel Vanagon
2014 Golf (last year German mfr for NA)
2019 Jetta Gli, 35th Anniversary Edition, 6 speed |
|
Back to top |
|
|
toxicavenger70 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2019 Posts: 869 Location: CO
|
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:59 am Post subject: Re: The Official 1965 Bug Registry |
|
|
Nothing is original. Just a daily driver/beater. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
jkersting Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2003 Posts: 88 Location: Pittsburgh
|
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:05 am Post subject: Re: The Official 1965 Bug Registry |
|
|
Just got this little 65! I'm off to a rough start. Poor thing was shipped in a blizzard. First quick drive and the master cylinder decided to blow and then the stupid chrome hood handle guard sliced my finger open. Hmmm. I still love her. She had the original owner for 54 years! _________________ 1965 Beetle and 2020 Audi S3
Gone, but not forgotten: 1960 Beetle, 1966 Beetle, 1967 Beetle, 1972 Beetle, 1976 Porsche 911 Targa S, 2001 Porsche Boxster, 2009 Porsche Cayman |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|