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Lotrat Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2007 Posts: 2528 Location: Vista, CA
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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So we agree.
It's not the spare tire orientation.
It's not the windshield.
It's not the dash.
It's not the vented front nose.
If you got struts and a fatty hood, then you got a Super.
Lock it. |
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Joel Samba Member
Joined: September 04, 2006 Posts: 11099 Location: NSW Australia
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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I was joking, my spare is only upright like that cos of my A/C condenser and radiator.
But you pretty much got it except the spare tyre part
If its got coil over struts it's a superbeetle. End Of Story.
All strut bugs have the wide hood and spare lays down flat due to the suspension layout. _________________ Quick little bug, you got a Porsche motor in that?
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mnussbau Samba Member
Joined: August 26, 2006 Posts: 4589 Location: Central Maryland
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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CLEARLY, that's a super. _________________ Mike
Sold my sedan
Parts... |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76939 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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julrich366 Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2006 Posts: 1306 Location: N.E. Ohio - aka "The Rustbelt"
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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Glenn,
You have a lot of wise advice...but this may be your best comment yet!
18 pages.... and hopefully not many more! _________________ - John
'74 Vert ..lot's to still do. |
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koenig blues Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2011 Posts: 71 Location: long way till i reach suwalki
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:26 am Post subject: great threth |
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thanks Glenn now i know what i am dealing with after a bloody half year debate to determine is it a super nor a beetle.. now i learn my beetle is a 1973 beetle
before
does the badge correct??
after
i think i have a wrong bumper
many thanks for the knowledge and cheer everyone |
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FabFour72 Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2022 Posts: 63 Location: GA
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: This is a Beetle and that is a Super Beetle |
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I thought the big taillights were an indication of a Super. Did regular Beetles have them also? |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76939 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: This is a Beetle and that is a Super Beetle |
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FabFour72 wrote: |
I thought the big taillights were an indication of a Super. Did regular Beetles have them also? |
Sure did.
_________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
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H2OSB Samba Member
Joined: April 14, 2013 Posts: 1294 Location: Modesto, CA
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: This is a Beetle and that is a Super Beetle |
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Many an untrained eye might think Glenn's car is a Super, but is, in fact, a very fine example of a late(r) model standard. When I first decided to get into Beetles in the early 90s, having come for the watercooled side, I had no idea of the difference. Doesn't take long to figure out, however. I have seen many Supers without the "grill" under the front bumper, and the spare laying flat in the trunk seems like an obvious give away(though Joel showed how that could be misinterpreted), the bottom line is, if the car has struts in the front(and no dual trailing arms...there are standard Beetles with coil over shocks), it is a Super Beetle (or 1302, 1303, L bug....etc)
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vugbug68 Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2006 Posts: 2696 Location: sacramento
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: This is a Beetle and that is a Super Beetle |
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And sometimes you see a super with small tail lights
_________________ 71 Super - Backroad Thrasher
66 Corvair - Weekend Cruiser
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FabFour72 Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2022 Posts: 63 Location: GA
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: This is a Beetle and that is a Super Beetle |
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Thanks for the informative replies yall. Saturday, my lucky butt, trying to no talk my native lingo here, will be picking up a 72 Beetle that's been garage kept for 50 years. The pictures show minimal sutface rust on the bottom side, original white paint, and the guy drove it in his barn a year ago. He wants it out of his way and I'm the guy that's going to do it. The good Lord willing. I will be the 3rd owner. I've been a cowboy without a horse for about 20 years now and anxious to get back in the saddle. My last was a 64 with moonroof, 88mm pistols and as much rust as the Titanic. Any tips about quirks or suggestions from yall would be well appreciated. Signed the new guy, FabFour72 |
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Bleu 72 Super Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2020 Posts: 11 Location: South-central PA
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: Flat Super? |
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Glenn wrote: |
Lbhat wrote: |
so...? I could find a 71 or 72 flat windshield Super with the spare laying flat? with struts too? |
If the tire is laying down then it's a Super and has struts. 71-72 Supers had a flat windshield and 73-79 had a curved one.
It's that simple. |
It's not that simple. I had a '73 Super Beetle, bought brand new. It absolutely had a windshield flat as a pancake. I think the change to curved windshield may have been a mid-year change during 1973 production. I've heard VW often did mid-year changes on Beetles. |
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vugbug68 Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2006 Posts: 2696 Location: sacramento
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Flat Super? |
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Bleu 72 Super wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
Lbhat wrote: |
so...? I could find a 71 or 72 flat windshield Super with the spare laying flat? with struts too? |
If the tire is laying down then it's a Super and has struts. 71-72 Supers had a flat windshield and 73-79 had a curved one.
It's that simple. |
It's not that simple. I had a '73 Super Beetle, bought brand new. It absolutely had a windshield flat as a pancake. I think the change to curved windshield may have been a mid-year change during 1973 production. I've heard VW often did mid-year changes on Beetles. |
Would you happen to have a picture of it from the front? _________________ 71 Super - Backroad Thrasher
66 Corvair - Weekend Cruiser
90 4 Runner - Muddin |
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Lingwendil Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 3988 Location: Antioch, California, a block from the hood
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Flat Super? |
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Bleu 72 Super wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
Lbhat wrote: |
so...? I could find a 71 or 72 flat windshield Super with the spare laying flat? with struts too? |
If the tire is laying down then it's a Super and has struts. 71-72 Supers had a flat windshield and 73-79 had a curved one.
It's that simple. |
It's not that simple. I had a '73 Super Beetle, bought brand new. It absolutely had a windshield flat as a pancake. I think the change to curved windshield may have been a mid-year change during 1973 production. I've heard VW often did mid-year changes on Beetles. |
Definitely not a mid year change, my October of 72 (73 model year) has a curved windshield. All german production super windshields were curved beginning in August of 72, the beginning of the 73 model year. _________________ 73 super beetle thread http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=649622 Back on the Road!
Modify your Kadrons for SVDA http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8115884#8115884
Cast iron VJU4BR8 SVDA reference thread- https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31379 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:44 am Post subject: Re: This is a Beetle and that is a Super Beetle |
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Folks have changed a bunch of stuff on a bunch of these old VWS.
Like here's my own 1971 Super
Note that it has 1970-only rear reflectors on the bumper mounts (because they're cool). And has a 1970 sedan engine lid because the factory lid was damaged on the bottom when I bought it in 1976, and I traded engine lids with someone who only needed the top half of an engine lid as he was making his into a Baja Bug. And 1971 convertibles did not come with Pastel White paint, or with tan convertible tops https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/71superbeetle/back.jpg Or with 1835cc engines or purchased-used vintage Buddy Hale wheels.... _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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scottyrocks Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2016 Posts: 2666 Location: Long Island, NY
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Joel wrote: |
Lotrat, Two can play at that game
My 74 super spare sits upright
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Now, that's funny.
One thing to remember is that much (not all) discussion here centers around U.S., Canadian, and Western European based cars. The rest of the world had more variations.
Also, not mentioned here is that the 1303 (curved front windscreen) cars have roof stampings that are different because of the curved vs 'flat' front glass. Just one more difference in the 'aft of the A-pillar' differences. _________________ “If you care for a thing long enough, it takes on a life of its own, doesn't it? Mending old things, preserving them, looking after them – on some level there's no rational grounds for it.”
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Lost69Convertible Samba Member
Joined: July 29, 2020 Posts: 447 Location: Rhode Island
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: This is a Beetle and that is a Super Beetle |
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I’ve been reading a book about early Beetle development and noticed this 1932 NSU prototype. Based on the width of the hood, it’s the first Super Beetle.
_________________ 1956 Beetle Ragtop: My Father's car
1969 Beetle Convertible: My first car. I loved it, I lost it, and I never got over it.
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