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dubman67 Samba Member
Joined: April 10, 2003 Posts: 273 Location: Big Sky Country
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:55 pm Post subject: Electric fuel pump to prime carburetors |
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My double cab sits for sometimes, months without running. Because of this, the gas evaporates out of the carbs. It takes a bit of cranking or a shot of ether to get fuel to the carbs .
Has anybody put an electric fuel pump in line before the stock pump to fill the carbs? Would the pump push the fuel past the stock fuel pump?
Thanks. _________________ 67 Bug
62 Double Cab
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richierich Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2004 Posts: 889
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: Electric fuel pump to prime carburetors |
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Why don't you have done with it and just run an electric pump on it's own? _________________ Blah..... |
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MitchS046 Samba Member
Joined: March 02, 2020 Posts: 114 Location: Holland
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: Electric fuel pump to prime carburetors |
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why not ditch the stock pump and switch to full electric pump? not worth it otherwise _________________ Slow is smooth, smooth is fast,
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QRP Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2008 Posts: 1712 Location: NORTH HOLLYWOOD,CA
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Electric fuel pump to prime carburetors |
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MitchS046 wrote: |
why not ditch the stock pump and switch to full electric pump? not worth it otherwise |
Good question |
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dubman67 Samba Member
Joined: April 10, 2003 Posts: 273 Location: Big Sky Country
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: Electric fuel pump to prime carburetors |
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richierich wrote: |
Why don't you have done with it and just run an electric pump on it's own? |
Thought about it, but I never had a stock pump go out and leave me stranded. Electric, yes. _________________ 67 Bug
62 Double Cab
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mukluk Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2012 Posts: 7028 Location: Clyde, TX
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Electric fuel pump to prime carburetors |
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dubman67 wrote: |
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Has anybody put an electric fuel pump in line before the stock pump to fill the carbs? Would the pump push the fuel past the stock fuel pump?
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Yes, it has been done before, and yes, it'll easily push fuel right through a stock mechanical pump. If you wish to use the same type of system, you'll need to be sure the electric pump you use will allow fuel to freely flow through when it is switched off. I installed an Airtex E8016S pump for this very reason, and it has worked flawlessly for the past eight years. _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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dubman67 Samba Member
Joined: April 10, 2003 Posts: 273 Location: Big Sky Country
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Electric fuel pump to prime carburetors |
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mukluk wrote: |
dubman67 wrote: |
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Has anybody put an electric fuel pump in line before the stock pump to fill the carbs? Would the pump push the fuel past the stock fuel pump?
Thanks. |
Yes, it has been done before, and yes, it'll easily push fuel right through a stock mechanical pump. If you wish to use the same type of system, you'll need to be sure the electric pump you use will allow fuel to freely flow through when it is switched off. I installed an Airtex E8016S pump for this very reason, and it has worked flawlessly for the past eight years. |
Thank you _________________ 67 Bug
62 Double Cab
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richierich Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2004 Posts: 889
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Electric fuel pump to prime carburetors |
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dubman67 wrote: |
richierich wrote: |
Why don't you have done with it and just run an electric pump on it's own? |
Thought about it, but I never had a stock pump go out and leave me stranded. Electric, yes. |
Fair point _________________ Blah..... |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26790 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: Electric fuel pump to prime carburetors |
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You prefer the failure mode of leaking fuel into the crankcase? |
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3580 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Electric fuel pump to prime carburetors |
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Make the electric primary and keep the mech in the loop. If the electric fails a nipple or a set of valves can take it out of the loop. |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26790 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Electric fuel pump to prime carburetors |
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I suppose that two pumps would be a good way to fix the stated problem, but busses have a lot of possible problems.
They really do tend to cook dual carbs when shutoff, and the fuel tank is sometimes higher than the carbs so they may gravity feed and flood, if the needles and seats don't seal perfect.
I'm surprised I haven't seen anybody come up with a really GOOD electric pump solution for busses, maybe with a shutoff solenoid or something like that. |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12743 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Electric fuel pump to prime carburetors |
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Some electric fuel pumps are annoyingly loud! Then you need a safety shut off. The stock fuel pump just quits when the engine stops.
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20380 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Electric fuel pump to prime carburetors |
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modok wrote: |
I suppose that two pumps would be a good way to fix the stated problem, but busses have a lot of possible problems.
They really do tend to cook dual carbs when shutoff, and the fuel tank is sometimes higher than the carbs so they may gravity feed and flood, if the needles and seats don't seal perfect.
I'm surprised I haven't seen anybody come up with a really GOOD electric pump solution for busses, maybe with a shutoff solenoid or something like that. |
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nextgen Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 6032 Location: CONGERS, N.Y.
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Electric fuel pump to prime carburetors |
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My favorite reasons for having an electric Pump.
I had my carbs rebuilt 2 years ago and Rick Hunt send me photos of before and after of every part. The crud and damage from crappy gas and ethanol eating the inside of my carbs was a horror.
I put a fuel shut off switch in line.
Every time I think my car is not going to be driven, before I turn off the key I turn the pump off and wait for the engine to die. Then I shut the car off.
The flow bowls are empty.
When I want to start the car, first I turn the key but do not to the run position. Just the electronics on and wait a a few seconds, for the bowls to fill. Then I pump the pedal a few times, then turn the car to Start and it starts instantly .
Another reason especially for you and and how expensive buses are becoming.
It stops guys from stealing your car if you hide the fuel switch.
My brother had one on his car and he just used it exactly that reason. But did not run the engine dry.
He was in Manhattan and he heard police cars and saw a crowd. A guy was able to start the Ghia and seeing it had fuel in bowls It ran till it went dry on 5th ave. The guy that took it ran and my brother got his ghia back. _________________ email: [email protected]
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Witnin01340 Samba Member
Joined: December 07, 2021 Posts: 131 Location: PA
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Electric fuel pump to prime carburetors |
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Thats a good idea to put a shutoff valve to run the carbs dry,i use ethanol treatment but i dont use the buggy for transportation if i did ethanol treatment would become little pricey.
I couldnt believe how bad ethanol eats at the inside of a carb,purschased new carbs let it sit for about 5months took tops of carbs off to set the floats and the bowls etc had a major white dusty looking stuff all thru them just in a few months that stopped me from not running ethanol treatment. |
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nextgen Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 6032 Location: CONGERS, N.Y.
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: Electric fuel pump to prime carburetors |
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Think about it, you don't run your engine more then you do.
Maybe -- example 2 hours a day a few times a week. The fuel is in the cars 22 vs 2 hours and when it is in the pump it is moving so less chance of it eating an area.
An old saying is " it is always better to drink moving water!!
Also to prevent pipes from freezing keep the water running. _________________ email: [email protected]
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