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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:50 pm    Post subject: Can I convert either of these wipers to 12v? Reply with quote

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The one on the left is out of my 56. Is the other one an oval assy as well? I want to convert it to 12v, will either one of these accept the WW 12v armature conversion?[/img]
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Saggs:

Check into one of these...

I have one on my Bus and it works great -- it even has a park feature!

It's a rear wiper motor off of a '69-'83 Volvo wagen

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweet Cool We've got volvos all over the place up here! I can probably get one for next to nothing. Looks like a bolt on job. Are they 2 speed, and if so can I get a switch to look oval era?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One speed -- kinda slow.

I only use my wipers to help pass inspection. Otherwise, they're pretty useless.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if I plan to drive in the rain will this motor cut it? Maybe I could swap just the armature.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure it'll do SOME good.... but just use Rain-x and you'll be fine.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the Volvo motor require special wiring to make the motor park?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No... the park is built in.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just buy an armature from WW or CIP1 for like $35. Takes 2 mins to install. Assuming the one on the left is an SWF (which it appears to be)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what I originally planned and why I have the pics posted. WW says their armature is for 58 and up. The one on the left is out of my 56 and I believe it's original. My question then does either one look like a candidate for the WW upgrade? I don't have enough wiper savvy to make that call Rolling Eyes PS: They are both SWF units
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one on the left you can't convert, but the one on the right should work with a 12V armature. It appears to be a 60's era motor with the spade connectors.
Ideally you want a 57 motor (one year only) and a 3 wire switch. This will enable you to use the 12V armature and get a park function out of it.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thx Trevor, Will the newer one on the right still park but it will be in the wrong place or wrong side for my oval? There was a guy on the beetle site that was selling an electronic voltage converter that has a 90% efficiency rating and won't burn up motors like the volta-drop system did. Any thoughts on that?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one on the right appears to be an oval wiper frame with a later motor, maybe it already has a 12V '67/'68 motor on it? Check for a part# or a 12V stamping on it. The later motor will park on the wrong side however IIRC.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trevor P wrote:
The one on the right appears to be an oval wiper frame with a later motor, maybe it already has a 12V '67/'68 motor on it? Check for a part# or a 12V stamping on it. The later motor will park on the wrong side however IIRC.

actually the one on right is 1967 only=4 wire posts. 68 has 5 wire posts. but use oval gear plate on a 68, and it will hook up to small pin 67 and older linkage. i am talking about very 1st picture,not one with no framework.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:28 am    Post subject: Re: Can I convert either of these wipers to 12v? Reply with quote

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The one on the left is out of my 56. Is the other one an oval assy as well? I want to convert it to 12v, will either one of these accept the WW 12v armature conversion?[/img]

nothing can be done bwith left one. the right one is 67 12 volt. 12volt has 3 brushes, 6volt has 2 brushes.67 only has 4 terminals while 68 has 5 terminals.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can use a 58 up motor in the 56 frame .Do the 12v armiture swap and change it to park on the right side.You will also need to use a 57 3 pole switch.I did mine 9 years ago and it works great and was not hard to do.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I convert either of these wipers to 12v? Reply with quote

I've been reading through the 6v-12v wiper conversion threads and think I'm confused more as a lot.
I'm not sure if what I have is a '56 motor as it has spade connectors? The housing is stamped 6v.
I have reached out to the "WiperGuy" but, in the meantime til I hear back I removed the wiper assembly in my 56 which is 12V and would like to figure out what I need to do to get 12v wipers.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I convert either of these wipers to 12v? Reply with quote

the PO converted our old 11A to 12v - used the 6v wiper motor with an attachment to make it 12v - would be good to understand as we also converted our 1960 SC to 12v, but we never hooked up the wipers as are still 6v - just don't use the truck in the rain - z
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I convert either of these wipers to 12v? Reply with quote

I believe the motors with the permanent magnet field can be converted to 12V by swapping the armature.
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