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TheVintageVw Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2004 Posts: 654 Location: Porter Ranch California
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:01 pm Post subject: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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I’m not seeing it so far….. I was sure the rings were toast. They look good….
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9966 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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What are you running for fuel delivery? Spark? Got any pictures Of your engine? _________________ Jimbo
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Tvättbjörn Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2004 Posts: 1431 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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There is lots of oil in that cylinder. Are your oil rings still moving? The adjustment screws on the right side in the picture look a lot more tight. Burned / defective valve seat? Do you have your valves adjusted correctly? |
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TheVintageVw Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2004 Posts: 654 Location: Porter Ranch California
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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VW_Jimbo wrote: |
What are you running for fuel delivery? Spark? Got any pictures Of your engine? |
1835.
Kadrons. I rebuilt them during the process of figuring out why right side wouldnt run properly.
Stock jets
#2 cyl 135 compression |
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TheVintageVw Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2004 Posts: 654 Location: Porter Ranch California
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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Tvättbjörn wrote: |
There is lots of oil in that cylinder. Are your oil rings still moving? The adjustment screws on the right side in the picture look a lot more tight. Burned / defective valve seat? Do you have your valves adjusted correctly? |
Rings move. Checked valve clearance before tearing into it. Checked out.
At this point its gotta be in the valve train…. |
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Tvättbjörn Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2004 Posts: 1431 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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with so much dirt on your engine. Measure your cylinder i.d. to see if it is still round. Maybe it did overheat due to having no cooling. |
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Tvättbjörn Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2004 Posts: 1431 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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TheVintageVw wrote: |
Tvättbjörn wrote: |
There is lots of oil in that cylinder. Are your oil rings still moving? The adjustment screws on the right side in the picture look a lot more tight. Burned / defective valve seat? Do you have your valves adjusted correctly? |
Rings move. Checked valve clearance before tearing into it. Checked out.
At this point its gotta be in the valve train…. |
If cylinder 1 has no compression due to a bad cam, the other / opposite side will have issues also. |
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Lo Cash John Samba Member
Joined: February 06, 2004 Posts: 2246 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:52 am Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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Pour liquid gas into the combustion chamber (head sitting with chamber facing up obviously) and see if it holds liquid for any amount of time or leaks out right away. That's a quick valve test.
Do rings still have tension (springy and stiff) or are they soft bendable?
Were the wrist pin clips still in place when you pulled it apart?4
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:08 am Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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1)Dirty engine causing it to overheat badly in that Bus.
2)Overheated rings with no tension left.
3)Cylinder is scored badly as is the piston skirt.
Where did all the dirt come from to do that damage? Running tar for oil and the filter is bypassing most of the time? _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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TheVintageVw Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2004 Posts: 654 Location: Porter Ranch California
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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oprn wrote: |
1)Dirty engine causing it to overheat badly in that Bus.
2)Overheated rings with no tension left.
3)Cylinder is scored badly as is the piston skirt.
Where did all the dirt come from to do that damage? Running tar for oil and the filter is bypassing most of the time? |
It may have over-heated. Bus came from Arizona and was used on a farm. The entire bottom is caked in mud. I’ve spent countless hours cleaning the underside. Oil and filter were good when I got possession, I replaced the filter screen, new oil, filter alll that good stuff. The lower head bolts were loose when taking engine apart.
Over heating might be the culprit. |
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TheVintageVw Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2004 Posts: 654 Location: Porter Ranch California
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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Lo Cash John wrote: |
Pour liquid gas into the combustion chamber (head sitting with chamber facing up obviously) and see if it holds liquid for any amount of time or leaks out right away. That's a quick valve test.
Do rings still have tension (springy and stiff) or are they soft bendable?
Were the wrist pin clips still in place when you pulled it apart?4
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Did this test. No leak. held the fuel in. Springs have great tension.
Wrist pin clips are in place. |
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raydog Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2006 Posts: 1163 Location: Cape Cod
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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That thing looks used and abused. What is that screwed into the #2 plug hole? A plug anti foul adapter? It's got to be the rings or loose head. Being a work vehicle on a farm, probably never got much maintenance by the looks of it. Did you pull the oil screen and see how much sludge is in the sump? _________________ Come on, It's not rocket science. KISS |
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TheVintageVw Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2004 Posts: 654 Location: Porter Ranch California
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:20 am Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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yeah the screen was pulled, no sludge. Flashlight into the case also shows its pretty darn clean.
Its the compression gauge adaptor. thats screwed into #2. |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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How much deck did that thing have?. |
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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did some retard put shims on only 1 cylinder? _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
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TheVintageVw Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2004 Posts: 654 Location: Porter Ranch California
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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didnt check the deck...
If you notice in the photos there is fuel on top of the pistons. Wouldn't that effect compression? but 0? |
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QRP Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2008 Posts: 1712 Location: NORTH HOLLYWOOD,CA
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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Well at this point with all that dirt and crap getting into the block the compression debate is basically over.
Strip down the entire motor and start over!!!!
But that's just me. |
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RCP Phx Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2021 Posts: 496 Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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QRP wrote: |
Well at this point with all that dirt and crap getting into the block the compression debate is basically over.Strip down the entire motor and start over!!!! But that's just me. |
It's not just you, we can guess forever on the cause but it doesn't matter as that motor needs to be pulled down. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76935 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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It would of been better to do a leak down test before taking it apart. It would of let you know if it was the intake, exhaust or rings. _________________ Glenn
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ept000 Samba Member
Joined: October 26, 2021 Posts: 79 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Help me figure out why cyl 1 has 0 compression…. |
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I still want to know why the valve adjuster screws look so much further down into the rocker arms on that cylinder.....
It's not pulling the rocker shaft studs, is it? |
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