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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3783 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:17 pm Post subject: Keys and locks through the years |
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I've perused the different posts regarding keys and locks for ignitions and door handles. Here is what I have come up with. Maybe someone can fill in the blanks or provide corrections and we can make this a sticky:
Type 1
1946 - December 31 1951:
Ignition = A profile key (Number stamped on ignition cylinder face),
Door handle = Y profile (four tumblers)
1952 - December 31 1953:
Ignition = P profile key (Number stamped on ignition cylinder face),
Door Handle = G profile (five tumblers)
1954 - 1959:
All keys SG profile (six? tumblers)
1960 only:
All keys SE profile
1961 - 1966:
All keys SC, SV, or SU profile
1967 - 1970:
All keys K profile
1971 - 1979:
All keys M profile
Type 2
1950 - December, 1951:
Ignition = A profile key (Number stamped on ignition cylinder face),
Door handle = E,Z,D,V,F profile (four tumblers)
1952 - February 28, 1953:
Ignition = P profile key (Number stamped on ignition cylinder face),
Door Handle = E,Z,D,V,F profile (4 tumblers)
March 1, 1954 - August 5, 1963:
All keys the same, E,Z,D,V,or F profile (5+1 tumblers)
1964 - 1966:
All keys T profile
1967 - 1970:
All keys L profile
1971 - 1979:
All keys R profile
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fatbeetle Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2011 Posts: 85 Location: Richmond VA
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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Im a little confused about the 53 type 1 door and ignition keys. Is it all of 53 had the "p" ignition key and "g" door key....or did they switch mid year to the "sg" ignition and door key or a mix of both to use up parts before the switch? _________________ 1953 OVAL |
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17290 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Keys and locks through the years |
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Correction in blue
nlorntson wrote: |
1946 - December 31 1951: Ignition = A profile key (Number stamped on ignition cylinder face), Door handle = Y profile (four tumblers)
1952 - December 31 1953: Ignition = P profile key (Number stamped on ignition cylinder face), Door Handle = G profile (six tumblers)
Jan 1 1954 - 1959: All keys SG profile
1960 only: All keys SE profile
1961 - 1966: All keys SC, SV, or SU profile
1967 - 1970: All keys K profile
1971 - 1979: All keys M profile
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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fatbeetle wrote: |
Im a little confused about the 53 type 1 door and ignition keys. Is it all of 53 had the "p" ignition key and "g" door key....or did they switch mid year to the "sg" ignition and door key or a mix of both to use up parts before the switch? |
All 53s had a G type door key. SG first appeared on Jan 1 54. _________________
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Peter_KG Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Keys and locks through the years |
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What about the differences in the lock cilinders; for example should a SV ('61-'66) cilinder fit a 54 ice pick door handle that should have the SG cilinder lock?
Thx! _________________ VW Karmann Ghia '63
VW Kupla Dickholmer '64
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Keys and locks through the years |
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Peter_KG Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2013 Posts: 148 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: Keys and locks through the years |
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Much appreciated, Bruce!
Thx _________________ VW Karmann Ghia '63
VW Kupla Dickholmer '64
VW Bubbla Oval '54 |
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finster Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Keys and locks through the years |
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nlorntson wrote: |
Type 2
1952 - February 28, 1953:
Ignition = P profile key (Number stamped on ignition cylinder face),
Door Handle = E,Z,D,V,F profile (4 tumblers)
March 1, 1954 - August 5, 1963:
All keys the same, E,Z,D,V,or F profile (5+1 tumblers)
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should that be march 1953, otherwise what was used from feb 53 to 54...? _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69823 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Keys and locks through the years |
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finster wrote: |
nlorntson wrote: |
Type 2
1952 - February 28, 1953:
Ignition = P profile key (Number stamped on ignition cylinder face),
Door Handle = E,Z,D,V,F profile (4 tumblers)
March 1, 1954 - August 5, 1963:
All keys the same, E,Z,D,V,or F profile (5+1 tumblers)
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should that be march 1953, otherwise what was used from feb 53 to 54...? |
I fixed it, here's the correct info for the above
Type 2
1952 - February 28, 1954:
Ignition = P profile key (Number stamped on ignition cylinder face),
Door Handle = E,Z,D,V,F profile (4 tumblers)
March 1, 1954 - February 28, 1955:
Ignition = P profile key (Number stamped on ignition cylinder face),
Door handle = E,Z,D,V,F profile (5+1 tumblers)
March 1, 1955 - August 5, 1963:
Door handle = E,Z,D,V,F profile (5+1 tumblers)
The handles are the 2-3 exterior handles with locks - Driver's door handle, cargo door handle, and decklid T-handle (Barndoor only) _________________ How to Post Photos
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5969 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:50 am Post subject: Re: Keys and locks through the years |
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I'd like to try to cut keys for my ignition, but I'm missing a few critical pieces of information, maybe someone can help fill in the blanks? I have a P code ignition, which is supposed to use a 90º angle at the notch like the A code. I have the code for the 4 tumblers, 1-2-3-4. What I don't have is how the number corresponds to the depth of the cut. Is a "2" in the code a 2mm deep cut? Is it 2mm from one of the grooves on the key?
Any help is much appreciated, I'm trying to find something I can do in the house while it's 10º out in the barn. _________________ modok wrote:
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qwerty Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: Keys and locks through the years |
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Here is the spacing from the shoulder and depth info for P key.
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5969 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: Keys and locks through the years |
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qwerty wrote: |
Here is the spacing from the shoulder and depth info for P key.
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Excellent information. Thank you! Where is this from? _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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qwerty Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2004 Posts: 337
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Keys and locks through the years |
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This info isn't in the VW locksmithing books or the old Reed code books.
I have access to locksmith information - looks like your depth code 1 2 3 4 starting from the shoulder of the key corresponds to key code P172
I just typed the info into an excel spreadsheet....
Good luck! |
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5969 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Keys and locks through the years |
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qwerty wrote: |
This info isn't in the VW locksmithing books or the old Reed code books.
I have access to locksmith information - looks like your depth code 1 2 3 4 starting from the shoulder of the key corresponds to key code P172
I just typed the info into an excel spreadsheet....
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Thank you so much for sharing. 1-2-3-4 was just an example. But now that I know what the depth of the cuts are, and distances from the shoulder I should be able to decipher the codes I have. The lock I'm working on is probably P59, but may be P69. Wish me luck! _________________ modok wrote:
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qwerty Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: Keys and locks through the years |
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Sent you a pm with P59/69 codes. Have fun. |
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