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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:43 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

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What is this black box under the hood on the DS?
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That the fuse block for the headlights.

I would add the 2 fuses for the high beam headlights. On these older Bugs the low beam headlights are not fused! If its is a US model Bug the front parking lights are not fused either (and those screw terminals on the bulb holders are very close to shorting out against the headlight bucket.) Honestly, some old VW stock wiring practices were kinda scary.

Good catch, I tend to think of my '60 which has a block with four fuses in that location, one for each high and low beam.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:39 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Hi all i am new to this forum, i have a 1958 cabrio which i have owned for 12 years, i require a pair of window regulators can anyone help?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:30 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

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Hi all i am new to this forum, i have a 1958 cabrio which i have owned for 12 years, i require a pair of window regulators can anyone help?


Check the classifieds section here on TheSamba.com
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:00 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Yes, please use the classifieds for wanted ads - we don't allow ads in the Forums since we have a dedicated Classifieds section
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:12 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Yes, US models had the coat hook assist straps on both sides?



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Original Euro 58 for sale here:
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With extensive photos here:
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I found these photos very interesting, but I also had some questions.

What is the circled item in the photos below?
Mine has a plugged hole there.
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What is this black box under the hood on the DS?
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Did US models have the coat hook assist straps on both sides?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:17 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

How does the speedo's manufactured date compare with the car's manufactured date? Is there a month lag, or do they match?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:02 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

I've also wondered the same thing about the speedometer. Admittedly I don't know the correct answer but know my speedometers were pretty close. Certainly the same years. Hopefully someone with more knowledge on the matter will chime in.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

General rule:
Most parts are usually 1-2 months behind the production date but I'm guessing you want to know specifically for 58-59, which I cannot answer.

This is definitely true for things like the generator/regulator/wheels.

Hopefully some people can check their 58-59 speedos and report back.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:49 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

The speedometer in my April of '59 built beetle has the date 3.59 stamped on the back shell. To my knowledge it is the original speedo.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:06 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

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The speedometer in my April of '59 built beetle has the date 3.59 stamped on the back shell. To my knowledge it is the original speedo.


That sounds like the original to me, thanks for confirming!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Since learning about the fuse boxes that came equipped from 1956-1960, has anyone been able to accomplish a 12V conversion while leaving the original wiring "look" under the hood? My car is currently 12v, with the incorrect headlight wire routing and missing the original headlight fuse box.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:46 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

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The speedometer in my April of '59 built beetle has the date 3.59 stamped on the back shell. To my knowledge it is the original speedo.


That sounds like the original to me, thanks for confirming!


I'll take a look over the weekend on the 59 to check dates. I know from records it's never been replaced.

The speedo ink stamp is 11/58. Both the chassis and engine number fall into Dec 58 production numbers.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:52 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

I converted my current Oct 58 back in the 80s and I used the original wiring harness and the original fuse boxes so not sure why yours were changed as they don't need to be changed. Nothing needs to be changed in regards to wiring or fuse boxes to convert it to 12-volt.

The 1960 has a different fuse box on the side.

TXHCBeetle wrote:
Since learning about the fuse boxes that came equipped from 1956-1960, has anyone been able to accomplish a 12V conversion while leaving the original wiring "look" under the hood? My car is currently 12v, with the incorrect headlight wire routing and missing the original headlight fuse box.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:59 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

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The speedometer in my April of '59 built beetle has the date 3.59 stamped on the back shell. To my knowledge it is the original speedo.


That sounds like the original to me, thanks for confirming!


I'll take a look over the weekend on the 59 to check dates. I know from records it's never been replaced.

The speedo ink stamp is 11/58. Both the chassis and engine number fall into Dec 58 production numbers.


About a one month lag, looks like I need to find a 2/58 speedo!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

myvolks1 wrote:
I converted my current Oct 58 back in the 80s and I used the original wiring harness and the original fuse boxes so not sure why yours were changed as they don't need to be changed. Nothing needs to be changed in regards to wiring or fuse boxes to convert it to 12-volt.

The 1960 has a different fuse box on the side.


Did you simply replace the fuses in the fender-well fuse box with 12V fuses?
My car seems to have been built from a couple of cars, the only original 58 parts that remain are the body, fuel tank, doors, and glass. The conduit fenders are not present so the routing of the aftermarket harness was designed to accommodate the post-conduit headlighting.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:26 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

If you have white 8A fuses in the fuse box, leave them. If they are red (16A), orange or blue (both 25A) fuses, replace them with 8A. Make sure all the connections are shiny copper-on-copper or copper-on-aluminum. If you go with higher-wattage headlights, you should be OK with 8A on a 12-volt system.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I need to replace the conical filter in my fuel pump.
Looking thru the classified, so go.
Look at some suppliers, no go.
The last one came with a fuel pump rebuild kit that was $$$. I'm trying to avoid buying a whole kit for just this part
Any suggestions??


I never saw a reply to this question about a cone type filter in the fuel pump. Anyone ever find a source?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bwaz wrote:
my59 wrote:
I need to replace the conical filter in my fuel pump.
Looking thru the classified, so go.
Look at some suppliers, no go.
The last one came with a fuel pump rebuild kit that was $$$. I'm trying to avoid buying a whole kit for just this part
Any suggestions??


I never saw a reply to this question about a cone type filter in the fuel pump. Anyone ever find a source?
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I ended up getting a parts pump at a swap meet, after checking to see if filter was good, and the hex shaped in/out valves were there.....
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

TXHCBeetle wrote:
How does the speedo's manufactured date compare with the car's manufactured date? Is there a month lag, or do they match?


The speedo in my beetle was built sometime in September 1958 according to the stamp on the metal case. The car left the factory on 30 October 1958 and was delivered to the dealership in Salzburg, Austria on 02 November 1958.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:17 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

You don't have to change the fuses when converting it to 12-volt.


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myvolks1 wrote:
I converted my current Oct 58 back in the 80s and I used the original wiring harness and the original fuse boxes so not sure why yours were changed as they don't need to be changed. Nothing needs to be changed in regards to wiring or fuse boxes to convert it to 12-volt.

The 1960 has a different fuse box on the side.


Did you simply replace the fuses in the fender-well fuse box with 12V fuses?
My car seems to have been built from a couple of cars, the only original 58 parts that remain are the body, fuel tank, doors, and glass. The conduit fenders are not present so the routing of the aftermarket harness was designed to accommodate the post-conduit headlighting.

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