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udo dreisoerner
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now in LL registry, bought by a friend
http://www.kglowlightregistry.com/index.php?action=listingview&listingID=789
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Searching for a 1956 lowlight karmann ghia with a VIN number between1273054 and 1273440, and the matching engine with an Engine Number between
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otahuhu
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2022 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: Lowlights for sale |
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Some nice parts to with it including the foam taillight seals and an nos door? |
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VeloMikey
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Marcdeb
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 12:40 am Post subject: Re: Lowlights for sale |
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Now its active again. The sale must have funraveled. $33k, is up there for a project. |
That’s a potentially six figure car done right and if it’s complete and solid it’s a fair price for the right buyer.
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udo dreisoerner
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 3:43 am Post subject: Re: Lowlights for sale |
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| otahuhu wrote: |
Some nice parts to with it including the foam taillight seals and an nos door? |
will visit him next week and than i have a look to the doors
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Searching for a 1956 lowlight karmann ghia with a VIN number between1273054 and 1273440, and the matching engine with an Engine Number between
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cruiser
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: Lowlights for sale |
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Another fresh entry:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2549257
Looks like a portion of the front clip was replaced (driver's side, inner spare tire area) at some point? Low body # however. Interesting seat backs and door weather-strip placement, ample loads of plastic filler down low, etc..
Anyway, with a lot of courage, time, patience and, of course, a full wallet of $ (on top of the asking price), this one could return to its former glory. |
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JAL78 
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 5:55 am Post subject: Re: Lowlights for sale |
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Here’s a new entry on OldBug.com. If this sells at its current price its going to be a world record! Looks like this collector is liquidating a very elite collection
https://www.oldbug.com/tondbkghia.htm
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Trylon
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 6:09 am Post subject: Re: Lowlights for sale |
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Here’s a new entry on OldBug.com. If this sells at its current price its going to be a world record! Looks like this collector is liquidating a very elite collection
https://www.oldbug.com/tondbkghia.htm |
The sales pitch and price remind me of my PO.
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John Moxon
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kingkarmann
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 6:25 am Post subject: Re: Lowlights for sale |
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Here’s a new entry on OldBug.com. If this sells at its current price its going to be a world record! Looks like this collector is liquidating a very elite collection
https://www.oldbug.com/tondbkghia.htm |
The sales pitch and price remind me of my PO. |
That is on over the top custom. Stunning!
Randy Carlson at Oldbug has very good reputation within the community. He is a salesman/broker but incomparable to RT
Whoever ends up with it is going to have an incredible custom lo-light.
$125k is a stretch but you have to start somewhere. It's not a ridiculous starting point IMO.
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Marcdeb
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Lowlights for sale |
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Here’s a new entry on OldBug.com. If this sells at its current price its going to be a world record! Looks like this collector is liquidating a very elite collection
https://www.oldbug.com/tondbkghia.htm |
I'm wondering about this statement:
"When it comes to the Karmann Ghia, there is no higher step on the ladder of desirability than with a 1958 convertible. These "low light" models are the most beautiful and exclusive of the whole production run, and very rarely come up for sale."
Why would a 58 Vert be more desirable than then a 57 or 59 Vert?
For that kind of money, shouldn't the buyer at least get a boot?
Desirability would depend on who the buyer is? This is a sharp car but it doesn't appeal to me at all for 2 reasons: It's so perfect that I would be worried about taking it anywhere, and 2nd I think an all original restoration would be much more beautiful.
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2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
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2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
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JAL78
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Lowlights for sale |
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KINGKARMANN WROTE: "That is on over the top custom. Stunning!
Randy Carlson at Oldbug has very good reputation within the community. He is a salesman/broker but incomparable to RT
Whoever ends up with it is going to have an incredible custom lo-light.
$125k is a stretch but you have to start somewhere. It's not a ridiculous starting point IMO."
This is an absolutely beautiful custom build however I would prefer an all original and correct restoration. These 58 convertibles are super rare, and to find one that hasn't been modded or molested would be golden. I wonder how much the custom modifications will affect the final price outcome?
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John Moxon
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You see, if you say you don't like your Ghias slammed to the ground, you're branded a stock Nazi. I'm far from that, have a look at my '58 and you'll see incorrect parts all over the place.
Whilst I don't mind tastefully lowered Ghias, I find the slamming that necessitates a heavily narrowed beam that gives you the ugly rear 3/4 view shown on this Lowlight...the no-wheel look is an abomination in my opinion.
Like sunken eye sockets on the Mona Lisa. 
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calexican
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Lowlights for sale |
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| Shouldn’t the 58 have the little curve on the dash at the ends? The one on Old Bug does not. |
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Lowlights for sale |
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| Shouldn’t the 58 have the little curve on the dash at the ends? The one on Old Bug does not. |
I thought I read that all 58.5 verts were sold as 59 model years? So I guess they would all have 59 features?
That car is very well done but that price is nuts unless you find the one guy out there with the money to buy it.
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1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
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VeloMikey
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Lowlights for sale |
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Here’s a new entry on OldBug.com. If this sells at its current price its going to be a world record! Looks like this collector is liquidating a very elite collection
https://www.oldbug.com/tondbkghia.htm |
I'm wondering about this statement:
"When it comes to the Karmann Ghia, there is no higher step on the ladder of desirability than with a 1958 convertible. These "low light" models are the most beautiful and exclusive of the whole production run, and very rarely come up for sale."
Why would a 58 Vert be more desirable than then a 57 or 59 Vert?
For that kind of money, shouldn't the buyer at least get a boot?
Desirability would depend on who the buyer is? This is a sharp car but it doesn't appeal to me at all for 2 reasons: It's so perfect that I would be worried about taking it anywhere, and 2nd I think an all original restoration would be much more beautiful. |
There are no 57 convertible Karmann Ghias. So 58 is the "first year". Depending how far out a 59 is, it becomes more like a 60. Different dash, padded dash, different horn ring and different front turn signals. Lots of subtle changes that make it less desirable.
Super rare is an understatement but there are four for sale right now!
I almost cried when I saw it at Pardo this year. It was being shown in a dirt lot and had an inch of dust covering it.
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Marcdeb
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: Lowlights for sale |
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Here’s a new entry on OldBug.com. If this sells at its current price its going to be a world record! Looks like this collector is liquidating a very elite collection
https://www.oldbug.com/tondbkghia.htm |
I'm wondering about this statement:
"When it comes to the Karmann Ghia, there is no higher step on the ladder of desirability than with a 1958 convertible. These "low light" models are the most beautiful and exclusive of the whole production run, and very rarely come up for sale."
Why would a 58 Vert be more desirable than then a 57 or 59 Vert?
For that kind of money, shouldn't the buyer at least get a boot?
Desirability would depend on who the buyer is? This is a sharp car but it doesn't appeal to me at all for 2 reasons: It's so perfect that I would be worried about taking it anywhere, and 2nd I think an all original restoration would be much more beautiful. |
There are no 57 convertible Karmann Ghias. So 58 is the "first year". Depending how far out a 59 is, it becomes more like a 60. Different dash, padded dash, different horn ring and different front turn signals. Lots of subtle changes that make it less desirable.
Super rare is an understatement but there are four for sale right now!
I almost cried when I saw it at Pardo this year. It was being shown in a dirt lot and had an inch of dust covering it. |
I had read that the convertibles came out in 57, but didn't realize it was for the 58 model year.
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68 Karmann Ghia Cabrio Autostick
71 Karmann Ghia Cabrio
Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
71 Ghia Vert Restoration: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726710&postorder=asc |
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Loren
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: Lowlights for sale |
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| There is a big difference between model year and the date the Ghia rolled off the assembly line. Many lowlight owners prefer to date their Ghia according to when it came off the assembly line because so many changes were being implemented through out each year. For example a Ghia convertible that rolled off the line in 57 has some major differences from a convertible that rolled off the line in January of 58 even though they are all 58 model year cars. Of the few remaining early production cabriolets from 57 that survive many of the owners consider them 57 convertibles even though they are 58 model year Ghias. |
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chris fryer
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Lowlights for sale |
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You see, if you say you don't like your Ghias slammed to the ground, you're branded a stock Nazi. I'm far from that, have a look at my '58 and you'll see incorrect parts all over the place.
Whilst I don't mind tastefully lowered Ghias, I find the slamming that necessitates a heavily narrowed beam that gives you the ugly rear 3/4 view shown on this Lowlight...the no-wheel look is an abomination in my opinion.
Like sunken eye sockets on the Mona Lisa. |
I had to pull up the photos to see what you meant, and yes, for me the no-wheel look is a shocker.
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