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77_Bus_Girl Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 153 Location: Beautiful BC
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 9:43 am Post subject: Re: Turn key, engine just barely tries to turn then dies completely. |
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SGKent wrote: |
that is good to know. If it is a 1977, is it a California FI Bay, A 49 state FI bay, a Canadian market bay, or has it been modified to carb(s)? |
Oh oops o thought I had put that all in my first post!
It's a 77 FI. Fairly certain Canadian market. (no propane) but not sure if that's the difference-maker.
I've got someone coming to help check the double relay today. All the tests I can do solo checked out (so it's getting power) but when I turn the key there's no click or whir of the fuel pump. _________________ 77 Westfalia + 2 dogs = good life. |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Turn key, engine just barely tries to turn then dies completely. |
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So the question is, how do I test to see why my FI fuel pump is not working? _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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77_Bus_Girl Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 153 Location: Beautiful BC
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Turn key, engine just barely tries to turn then dies completely. |
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SGKent wrote: |
So the question is, how do I test to see why my FI fuel pump is not working? |
Just had someone come take a look and help me. He tapped the fuel pump while I was cranking and now it starts.
Ordering a new pump now!
And it turns out the battery light had a flaky connection in the bulb
For the pump, is it worth the extra for the Bosch? Or are the cheaper ones ok? _________________ 77 Westfalia + 2 dogs = good life. |
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77_Bus_Girl Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 153 Location: Beautiful BC
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Turn key, engine just barely tries to turn then dies completely. |
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Does anyone know of some step by step instructions somewhere on how to replace my new Bosch FI fuel pump ? (I also ordered a new fuel filter, might as well while I'm at it)
It looks really straightforward but I've been wrong about that before. 😂 _________________ 77 Westfalia + 2 dogs = good life. |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Turn key, engine just barely tries to turn then dies completely. |
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two nuts and two wires. Make sure + to + , and - to -. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50350
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Turn key, engine just barely tries to turn then dies completely. |
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77_Bus_Girl wrote: |
Does anyone know of some step by step instructions somewhere on how to replace my new Bosch FI fuel pump ? (I also ordered a new fuel filter, might as well while I'm at it)
It looks really straightforward but I've been wrong about that before. 😂 |
Yes it is quite straight forward, buy some fuel line clamps. This is one style, there are others. The pictured ones are from Harbor Freight, but most any FLAPS will have them.
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77_Bus_Girl Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: Turn key, engine just barely tries to turn then dies completely. |
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Wildthings wrote: |
77_Bus_Girl wrote: |
Does anyone know of some step by step instructions somewhere on how to replace my new Bosch FI fuel pump ? (I also ordered a new fuel filter, might as well while I'm at it)
It looks really straightforward but I've been wrong about that before. 😂 |
Yes it is quite straight forward, buy some fuel line clamps. This is one style, there are others. The pictured ones are from Harbor Freight, but most any FLAPS will have them.
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Oh perfect! I was wondering how to block the hoses! Thanks. _________________ 77 Westfalia + 2 dogs = good life. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Turn key, engine just barely tries to turn then dies completely. |
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77_Bus_Girl wrote: |
Oh perfect! I was wondering how to block the hoses! Thanks. |
Be wary when dealing with gasoline, the stuff has multiple ways of harming you. |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22668 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 2:24 am Post subject: Re: Turn key, engine just barely tries to turn then dies completely. |
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You want closed band clamps in fuel lines , like brand ABA or Norma. You don’t want the cheap open type thst look like cheesegraters because that’s what they do to your hoses. If you really want to GoPro you use oetiker clamps like car makers do. These are one time use clamps that don’t loosen up. _________________ .ssS! |
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Shonandb Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2019 Posts: 1191 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Turn key, engine just barely tries to turn then dies completely. |
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No Flaps Auto up here so simple options to stop gasoline flow are a pair of small long nose vicegrips or a small C clamp but use a cloth or similar so the hose doesn't get knicked. Canadian Tire or other auto parts places like Lordco sell proper fuel hose clamps. If your tank is close to empty and you have a gas can, it may be a good time to drain the tank completely and then install a shut off valve between the tank and filter so future changes are easier. _________________ *******************************
76 Westy with a 2.5L Subaru SOHC + Vanagon (010) Automatic Transaxle
Build & Trip Thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=758760
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dodger tom Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2013 Posts: 1272 Location: Central Coast, CA, but we're all still Ukrainian
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Turn key, engine just barely tries to turn then dies completely. |
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I use needle-nose vice grips with gorilla tape wrapped around the tips. And, I don't over tighten. _________________ 1978 Champaign Edition 2 Westfalia
Would never find the time to keep up another classic air-cooled. |
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77_Bus_Girl Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 153 Location: Beautiful BC
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Turn key, engine just barely tries to turn then dies completely. |
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Thanks all! I've tracked down some clamps to stop the gas flow. The pump is on its way (should be here Monday) and hopefully I can manage it! _________________ 77 Westfalia + 2 dogs = good life. |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Turn key, engine just barely tries to turn then dies completely. |
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and a new filter too I hope. Also, if you haven't replaced the fuel line before, be aware that the piece from the filter to the pump is a different size than the rest. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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77_Bus_Girl Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 153 Location: Beautiful BC
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Turn key, engine just barely tries to turn then dies completely. |
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SGKent wrote: |
and a new filter too I hope. Also, if you haven't replaced the fuel line before, be aware that the piece from the filter to the pump is a different size than the rest. |
Yup. New filter too. (Though it's only a year old)
And I was noticing that it's a different size. I don't have any fuel hose as I usually have my mechanic do it every 5 years or so. I guess I'll have to buy some in 2 sizes. Will a place like napa carry it? Or is it some weird VW only size? _________________ 77 Westfalia + 2 dogs = good life. |
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Shonandb Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2019 Posts: 1191 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 10:39 am Post subject: Re: Turn key, engine just barely tries to turn then dies completely. |
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77_Bus_Girl wrote: |
SGKent wrote: |
and a new filter too I hope. Also, if you haven't replaced the fuel line before, be aware that the piece from the filter to the pump is a different size than the rest. |
Yup. New filter too. (Though it's only a year old)
And I was noticing that it's a different size. I don't have any fuel hose as I usually have my mechanic do it every 5 years or so. I guess I'll have to buy some in 2 sizes. Will a place like napa carry it? Or is it some weird VW only size? |
Napa will have fuel injection hose close to the small diameter hose but probably not the large diameter hose. Try German Supply out of Toronto or if you are desperate, CIP1 here in Delta but order the most expensive metric German hose, otherwise they will send you something cheap that doesn't fit well. _________________ *******************************
76 Westy with a 2.5L Subaru SOHC + Vanagon (010) Automatic Transaxle
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77_Bus_Girl Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Turn key, engine just barely tries to turn then dies completely. |
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Update! I managed to replace the pump and filter and he fired right up! I suspect that was also the reason last time he was in the shop the mechanic mentioned he hiccupped once or twice then was fine.
Only took me 3 hours. Haha. Took almost an hour to get it off as I'm a bit of a wimp. And would have been way easier if he was raised up as it was crazy awkward. But done! Thanks for your help all! _________________ 77 Westfalia + 2 dogs = good life. |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Turn key, engine just barely tries to turn then dies completely. |
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awesome. Good job. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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