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jbannon Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 11:00 am Post subject: Unknown steering damper |
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Was hoping someone could tell me where this steering damper comes from. A previous owner installed it at some point in the life of the car. This is a euro, October 1958 beetle, which was originally shipped to Salzburg, Austria, and the car has spent its life in Austria. When I first bought the car I thought the PO had fabricated the damper, but look at the steering arm—that is not welded and is one “stock” complete piece. Any help would be appreciated.
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Erik G Samba Member
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: Unknown steering dampener |
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Would be very cool if you would make some measurements of the bracket and post a drawing. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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jbannon Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: Unknown steering dampener |
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Erik G wrote: |
early cars don't have a factory steering damper. this is an aftermarket add on - looks good |
Erik, thanks. I am aware that my car originally didn't come with a damper, which makes the steering arm so interesting. Unfortunately the damper on this one is shot, so I was wondering if it was sold back in the day as an after market item where I could find a replacement (or something close).
Thanks again.
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jbannon Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: Unknown steering dampener |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
Would be very cool if you would make some measurements of the bracket and post a drawing. |
Will do once I get the pan disassembled and off to paint. |
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Disc Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: Unknown steering dampener |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
Would be very cool if you would make some measurements of the bracket and post a drawing. |
The bracket is the easy part. But the bracket is useless without that special pitman arm! _________________ The glory never gets old, just need new paint.
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jbannon Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Unknown steering damper |
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Exactly. Any ideas on the pitman arm? Aftermarket or perhaps repurposed from another manufacturer? |
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Zwitterkafer Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2007 Posts: 879 Location: Lanark County, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 8:26 am Post subject: Re: Unknown steering damper |
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The Aug 1954 VW parts book lists an optional steering damper setup, for "service installation". The giveaway to authenticity is that VW pitman arm with the extra hole for the steering damper.
Pre-Oct '52, with 22mm diameter lever shaft:
Kit: SP 67
Pitman arm: 111 415 205d
Steering damper: 111 415 809
Bolt-on mounting bracket: 111 415 815
Hex bolt: M12 x 1.5 x 40 DIN 960
Hex bolt: M12 x 1.5 x 50 DIN 960
Hex nut (2): M12 x 1.5 DIN 934
Spring washer (4): B12 DIN 137
Post Oct '52, with 28mm diameter lever shaft:
Kit: SP 67a
Pitman arm: 111 415 205c
Remaining parts as per SP 67.
An interesting period upgrade for an early car. The other thread on this topic is called "Anyone ever fabricate a steering damper bracket? Got pics?" in the '53 to '57 section, IIRC. _________________ "Criticism comes easier than Craftsmanship"
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Unknown steering dampener |
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jbannon wrote: |
Eric&Barb wrote: |
Would be very cool if you would make some measurements of the bracket and post a drawing. |
Will do once I get the pan disassembled and off to paint. |
Thanks! A couple images of the pitman arm would be very interesting also. Especially if you take it off. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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jbannon Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Unknown steering damper |
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Sorry for the delay in replying.
Here are some pictures of the pitman arm. It’s a genuine VW item. I have also included a picture of the bracket and provided info on the damper.
The damper is from “Boge” and has the following written on the surface:
Boge
Made in Western Germany
ETP 22-489
211 415 901 000
I guess the biggest question is: what years is this part appropriate for?
Any further help is appreciated. |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Unknown steering damper |
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jbannon wrote: |
I guess the biggest question is: what years is this part appropriate for?
Any further help is appreciated. |
Should be good down to the end of 1955 model year. So 1956-1960. Maybe even earlier. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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Zwitterkafer Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Unknown steering damper |
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It is Oct '52 to Aug '60, as per VW service installation kit SP 67a. _________________ "Criticism comes easier than Craftsmanship"
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jbannon Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Unknown steering damper |
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Thanks for the feedback!
I had originally planned to “upgrade” given my front beam is not original and it has the bracket welded onto the upper beam for the later style damper. However, given this piece appears period correct and Boge sells a replacement damper, I may use this instead. Any thoughts on which set up would provide a better driving experience, or should it be about the same? |
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Zwitterkafer Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:52 am Post subject: Re: Unknown steering damper |
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I don't see how there could be a significant difference. But damper vs. no damper is another story.......which is why VW bothered to offer the SP 67a retrofit. _________________ "Criticism comes easier than Craftsmanship"
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