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D/A/N Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2010 Posts: 2227 Location: 11222
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 5:47 pm Post subject: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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And I got the dreaded red oil light. One minute I was cruising in my bus with the family with oil pressure nicely better than 10psi per 1k rpm. Oil temp around 180*. I was feeling good about life. Then I felt a weird hiccup, and a few seconds later the light came on. Luckily, I was right near an exit ramp and I pulled into the the zebra striping. Light was on for all of 5 seconds if that. Oil all over the bus and the highway.
What hose? The blue Continental stuff.
https://vwparts.aircooled.net/Blue-Oil-Hose-1-2-ID-Push-Lock-Compatible-p/super-stock-oil-hose.htm
What connectors? Parker Push Lok.
The hose popped off one of the Push Lok fittings on my Mocal sandwich plate adapter which I installed about 30 miles of driving ago. Or maybe something hit the line. Either way, I lost all the oil out of my motor. Actually, after waiting on the side of the highway for 2 hrs for a tow truck that towed us less than 100 yards off the highway and told us we were on our own, there was a little bit on the end of the dipstick. Just a little bit.
And now for the question maybe no one can definitively answer: how fucked am I?
I mean I know no one’s going to say “good job, man. What a great way to speed up an oil change.” On the other hand, I didn’t overheat, I just drove a few seconds at highway speed with little to no oil. In the end, I got 4.5 quarts of oil (1.5 sump plus filter), a filter, and filled the motor back up and drove my sorry self back home. Wife and 2 year old got picked up by a friend, thankfully. No weird noises from the engine or the family. No issues, no nothing in the short 3 mile drive home.
What do I do now? Keep driving until I hear funny noises? _________________ '69 Fuel Injected Squareback. "B" D-jet. 1600 with balanced rotating assembly and lightened flywheel. Full flow and external filter.
'70 Riviera. 1904cc w/ 40mm Dellortos, 019 distributor, Steve Tims “super stock” 37x32 heads, Web Cam 218, Vintage Speed SS143 Super Speed exhaust, 1 1/2” heater boxes |
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clonebug Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 4027 Location: NW Washington
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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Drive it.....figure out why that hose popped off.
I've been using Push-Loc hose for 10 years and never had an issue. I replaced with new hose after 7 years because I was heading on a long trip and ...well....because I could and didn't want to have an issue. That hose is still on and working great.
I'm not sure why your hose popped off but that stuff is pretty reliable from what I have seen and experienced. Examine the hose carefully and see if you can spot anything. _________________
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Matthew Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2004 Posts: 1760 Location: Eastern Tennessee
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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It’ll probably be fine. Pull the sump plate and look for bits of metal. That shouldn’t happen if all of the hoses & fittings are compatible. Was the hose damaged? _________________ 1965 Beetle sedan
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51125 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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Sounds like you might have caught it in time, as already mentioned fix the leak and drive, any new noises? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76902 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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D/A/N wrote: |
Light was on for all of 5 seconds if that. |
You're fine. _________________ Glenn
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D/A/N Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2010 Posts: 2227 Location: 11222
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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Thanks for all the positive feedback. We’re headed on a trip in July so a baked engine is the last thing we want. There are no new noises, thankfully. The only lingering effect is the annoyance that I didn’t have enough spare oil in the bus to fully refill and that we had to wait so long for the tow.
And that two Vanagons passed us by. One was a Syncro that parks right in our neighborhood.
On the plus side, NYPD came and babysat us on the median. One of them was a Porsche guy. We talked air-cooled stuff until he realized he should put a flare in the road.
I’ll replace that length of hose from the sandwich plate adapter to the oil cooler and see what happens. There was no obvious damage to it. Even if it wasn’t on all the way I could see a leak but not popping off. I’m also considering clamps, even if they’re not strictly necessary. _________________ '69 Fuel Injected Squareback. "B" D-jet. 1600 with balanced rotating assembly and lightened flywheel. Full flow and external filter.
'70 Riviera. 1904cc w/ 40mm Dellortos, 019 distributor, Steve Tims “super stock” 37x32 heads, Web Cam 218, Vintage Speed SS143 Super Speed exhaust, 1 1/2” heater boxes |
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RCP Phx Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2021 Posts: 496 Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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Sounds like you caught it in time, "BUT" replace the lines with AN and never worry again! |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3552 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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Clamps actually reduce the pressure rating… |
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D/A/N Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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txoval wrote: |
Clamps actually reduce the pressure rating… |
Okay. No clamps but I will get new hose.
Also, my wife just noted that I reacted so quickly in turning the engine off that she thought we had just lost power somehow. Then she registered me saying “oh shit, oil light.” _________________ '69 Fuel Injected Squareback. "B" D-jet. 1600 with balanced rotating assembly and lightened flywheel. Full flow and external filter.
'70 Riviera. 1904cc w/ 40mm Dellortos, 019 distributor, Steve Tims “super stock” 37x32 heads, Web Cam 218, Vintage Speed SS143 Super Speed exhaust, 1 1/2” heater boxes
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5966 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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I've witnessed three pushlok related failures. Each one caused enough damage to warrant the "extra" cost of having real crimped ends installed.
Lots of people swear by it as a permanent installation, but I view it as a good temp fix. _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26781 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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I think it's no big deal. Relax
Don't know why that would fail either, but, in any case fix at least that one hose different this time just to be sure it doesn't do the same thing again. |
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King_vw61 Samba Member
Joined: February 03, 2018 Posts: 1383 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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spend the $$ for piece of mind, AN fittings are 10 to 20 each and the line is 10$ per foot for -8 teflon steel braided with a cover on it, have the hose company crimp them or build your own.. Worth every penny even at 2x the cost.
Anything can fail, but using lines that airplanes use is safer than using pushlock or barb fittings and clamps. _________________ 1961 Ragtop, Autocraft 2783cc for street/strip 10k miles and counting...230.84 HP to the wheels thru Muffler 13.4 to 1 on E85
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richparker Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 6980 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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Is this that new stroker engine you put in the Rivi???
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You need to hook up with Glen on LI. I enjoy giving his road biking ass shit, but he knows his stuff and is way closer to you then Skills in Connecticut.
On a side note, I run all Parker hoses and fittings on my engines for eva with no issues. Probably just a fluke.
Best of luck,
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 4:14 am Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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Stop playing around. This is about all i will use.
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challomoner Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 5:35 am Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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I had the same thing happen a few weeks back, push lok hose blew off the oil pump outlet. Caught it within seconds and shut it down. I've replaced the lines and fittings with AN type to make sure it never happens again. Doesn't appear to have damaged the engine thankfully. |
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jimmyhoffa Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 5:46 am Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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txoval wrote: |
Clamps actually reduce the pressure rating… |
Clamps increase the pressure rating. 👍 Particularly, the instantaneous pressure spike tolerance, which is useful when employed on our systems.
All of the documentation for every push-on medium-pressure system I am aware of will tell you clamps are bad, but they just don't want the risk of it being executed incorrectly.
I made about 20-25 hoses and cyclically hydrostatic-tested them at work, since we made process piping and had a 10,000 PSI capable hydrostat test pump. The clamped hoses always beat out the unclamped ones by several hundred PSI on average, except once. A clamped hose split in the middle and tied with an unclamped one that blew an end out. Sort of an oddity but I got my answer. I tried both Fragola's aluminum system and the Parker system.
To me that says that the push-lok system is actually pretty balanced, in that the hose end blow-out pressure is pretty close to the hose explosion pressure.
A key is to use a very thin clamp as far towards the seating indication ring at the base of the push-lok barb as possible. _________________ 1974 Chenowth 2RL #1244 Street Legal
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3552 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 6:22 am Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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Good information and testing. Most would just put a normal hose clamp on
The manufacturer states the pressure reduction, which is why I mentioned it |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76902 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 6:22 am Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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richparker wrote: |
Is this that new stroker engine you put in the Rivi???
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You need to hook up with Glen on LI. I enjoy giving his road biking ass shit, but he knows his stuff and is way closer to you then Skills in Connecticut.
On a side note, I run all Parker hoses and fittings on my engines for eva with no issues. Probably just a fluke.
Best of luck,
Rich P |
I know Dan and Jessica but had not seen them in years. _________________ Glenn
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Chickensoup Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 6:27 am Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 6:44 am Post subject: Re: So, one of my full flow lines popped off on the highway… |
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I would never use that type... the band cuts into the hose.
_________________ Glenn
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