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banana split Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2002 Posts: 1070 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Canada
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 10:30 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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Now for some major surgery. It was a mess under the yellow paint and Bondo. When the oval clip was originally gas welded in place, the welds were rough and the seams & surrounding metal were warped. Geoff decided to cut it all out and fab up some new roof sections around the oval to clean it up. Didn't expect all of this :
Rear window turned out great!
Here Geoff has replaced the section where the inside mirror mounts, added the sunroof corner supports and started applying a little body filler to smooth things out.
_________________ My Beetles :
1951 Crotch Cooler 11G Split Ragtop
1953 Zwitter
1964 Chop Top |
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banana split Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2002 Posts: 1070 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Canada
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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February of 2018 : Geoff thinks he removed a gallon of old bondo and body filler from the original roof. Now that it's all ground away and all of the welding is completed, Geoff was anxious to see how well it would look finished. The roof is a patchwork quilt of metal so fingers crossed it will come out looking good.
_________________ My Beetles :
1951 Crotch Cooler 11G Split Ragtop
1953 Zwitter
1964 Chop Top |
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banana split Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2002 Posts: 1070 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Canada
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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Now for a coat of grey primer... much nicer!
_________________ My Beetles :
1951 Crotch Cooler 11G Split Ragtop
1953 Zwitter
1964 Chop Top |
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Stephan Schmidt Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2002 Posts: 213 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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banana split wrote: |
Stephan Schmidt wrote: |
banana split wrote: |
$400 later it was mine. |
Wow, What a deal Jason!
Nice work! I like the progress! |
Believe me Stephan, I needed a break somewhere with this project! It has cost an absolute fortune to build |
I don't doubt it for a moment! Its looking great! Lets see those painted pictures |
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toxicavenger70 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2019 Posts: 871 Location: CO
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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Geoff does some killer work. Keep us posted on it. |
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3853 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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banana split wrote: |
Geoff also replaced all of the door hinge pins on both the left & right sides. Man… I couldn’t have picked a more difficult car to build! Lots of hours going into this = lots of $$$ |
Now, what would be really, REALLY sweet, is if it gets vent wings, rather than one-piece glass. |
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banana split Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2002 Posts: 1070 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Canada
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 10:01 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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Mini vent windows would be cool, I agree. We talked about it but it would be another large added cost with fabrication, glass, chroming etc... Normally I hate one piece windows on a Bug but I think they are acceptable on a chop top.
March 27 20218 - Geoff sends me a few more photos. All of the old yellow paint has been stripped off. He cut a few wood templates for glass. Since the car was already a driver 30 years ago, I already have the glass quarter windows. I can use the door template though. Soon the metal work will be done & it'll be time to bolt it up to the pan.
_________________ My Beetles :
1951 Crotch Cooler 11G Split Ragtop
1953 Zwitter
1964 Chop Top |
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slayer61 Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2021 Posts: 1018 Location: CA
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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Your project is very cool. Keep up the great work.
I'm an old man & I remember when the 1 piece window kits were popular in the Cal Look crowd. I still like them. _________________
Cusser wrote: |
... Most folks are idiots when it deals with electrical !!! |
67rustavenger wrote: |
3/4 race cam? What's missing, one of the lobes? |
Paul
'68 Manx clone... Sears??
2276 built on AS21 case
W-125 w/ GB 1.25:1 rockers
Mahle forged pistons
CB 4340 crank
CB H beam rods
deep sump
44 HPMX
EMPI GTV 2 STG II wedge ports
CB Magna spark
1 5/8 merged collector w/ hater stinger |
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banana split Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2002 Posts: 1070 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Canada
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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March 31 2018 - time to mate the body back to the pan. I came out to Geoff's shop and spent the whole day from 8-5 working with him to finish things up. The holes in the pan needed to be opened up in a few places to that everything would bolt together again. Kind of a pain when you are healing with 1 original German heater channel, a Kolkkerholm heater channel and 2 new Brazilian floor pans. Not everything fits and lines up perfect.
Don't remember why we took the front fenders off. I think we noticed a few more holes in the fender wells that needed welding up.
_________________ My Beetles :
1951 Crotch Cooler 11G Split Ragtop
1953 Zwitter
1964 Chop Top |
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banana split Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2002 Posts: 1070 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Canada
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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We rolled it back into the shop and Geoff welded up a few more misc holes in the trunk area. We also decided to re-index the spring plates to get the desired stance.
_________________ My Beetles :
1951 Crotch Cooler 11G Split Ragtop
1953 Zwitter
1964 Chop Top |
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banana split Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2002 Posts: 1070 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Canada
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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Finally finished !! Dropped it off September 19 2017 and Geoff's last day working on it was March 31 2018 - just over 6 full months.
_________________ My Beetles :
1951 Crotch Cooler 11G Split Ragtop
1953 Zwitter
1964 Chop Top |
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3853 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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By "finished," you mean bodywork/prep is finished, and you have more updates with paint and assembly coming, right? Please don't say the story ends here!
Chops don't usually get much love, but to echo some earlier comments, this car has absolutely perfect proportions and angles, it's pretty remarkable. |
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17290 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2022 12:42 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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Busstom wrote: |
By "finished," you mean bodywork/prep is finished, and you have more updates with paint and assembly coming, right? Please don't say the story ends here! |
Don't worry, there's a LOT more to come! _________________
overheard at the portland Swap Meet... wrote: |
..... a steering wheel made from a mastadon tusk..... |
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banana split Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2002 Posts: 1070 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Canada
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 9:22 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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April 7 2018 : Back home and safe in my garage again. A long ways to go with this project!
I disassembled the sunroof mechanism for my car… what a mess. The front and rear header bows were SUPER rusty. Corn flake sized pieces falling off. I’m sure if the pieces were blasted they’d be covered in pin holes all over the place.
I found a guy on Ebay in California with a couple of sunroof parts. He thought he had the whole assembly but could only find the front and back pieces. No worries, those are 2 major pieces that I need anyways.
Won the auction for $75 + $45 shipping = $120.00 USD
Picked up the package on Saturday. The pieces are really nice. Just some light surface rust. This should clean up nicely :
_________________ My Beetles :
1951 Crotch Cooler 11G Split Ragtop
1953 Zwitter
1964 Chop Top |
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sportin-wood Samba Member
Joined: September 12, 2010 Posts: 2008 Location: Texas
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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Holy crap! Just stumbled upon your thread and the progress just kept getting more & more radical! Nice work! I'll be following along. _________________ .
Paused 66 project bug
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"Relax, all right? My old man is a television repairman. He's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it." --- Jeff Spicoli |
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banana split Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2002 Posts: 1070 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Canada
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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At this point I'm on the waiting list for a body shop that I've used a few times in the past. The owner came out to my place to see the project in person and try and give me an estimate for body and paint. He recommended that I have the whole car blasted - it'll make their job that much easier starting out with clean metal.
I emailed the blaster photos of my Bug and they said that I should try and remove as much of the glue residue and old foam that was glued to the underside of the roof etc. He said the sand would just bounce off of it and it would save me a little money if I cleaned it up first. So, with razor blades and scrapers, I start removing what I can...
_________________ My Beetles :
1951 Crotch Cooler 11G Split Ragtop
1953 Zwitter
1964 Chop Top |
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banana split Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2002 Posts: 1070 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Canada
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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September 2018 : Sunday morning. The weather couldn’t have been worse… pouring rain !! Can't catch a break with the weather. Always raining when the car needs to get transported. It's now headed to the blasters.
They will chemically strip some areas first, then power wash, dry and then completely blast the whole car inside and out. _________________ My Beetles :
1951 Crotch Cooler 11G Split Ragtop
1953 Zwitter
1964 Chop Top |
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banana split Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2002 Posts: 1070 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Canada
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 10:39 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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September 25 2018 : The Bug is now totally blasted inside and out and the car will be dropped off at the body shop. The body shop owner insisted that they be the ones to put it into epoxy primer. The blaster wanted to do this but the body shop told me they wouldn't guarantee their work if someone else laid down the primer. OK, fair enough, that's understandable. That's Russ, the owner of Rust Blasters standing beside the Bug (not me!). They did an excellent job - everything you see is total bare metal :
_________________ My Beetles :
1951 Crotch Cooler 11G Split Ragtop
1953 Zwitter
1964 Chop Top |
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banana split Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2002 Posts: 1070 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2022 9:38 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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Scored a few goodies that I can use off a Craigslist ad :
_________________ My Beetles :
1951 Crotch Cooler 11G Split Ragtop
1953 Zwitter
1964 Chop Top |
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banana split Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2002 Posts: 1070 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2022 9:55 am Post subject: Re: 1964 Chop Top Build |
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Well I got screwed by the body shop I had lined up! The Bug was delivered to them the same day I picked it up from the blasters. The shop owner originally quoted me a cost to do the body & paint and he was the one who asked me to get the car blasted.
Well 3 weeks later they email me a written estimate which was double what I was verbally quoted. We're talking BIG bucks here! I freaked and said I'm pulling the car from the shop. I certainly don't have a money tree growing in my backyard.
I asked them what I owed for putting the car into epoxy primer and they said they hadn't gotten around to that yet. What the heck? Now the car has been sitting for 3 weeks in bare metal and it's starting to rust flash. Son of a bit*h. Needless to say, I wasn't happy about any of this
I called another body shop friend and he said that I'd have to get it re-blasted and put into epoxy by the blasters. Damn!
The 1st time it was at the blasters, they claimed they spent 21 hours blasting and chemically stripping it back to bare metal absolutely everywhere… to the tune of $3000 !!!! Ouch !!
So back it goes again... and remember, I'm also paying towing fees to get it transported everywhere. _________________ My Beetles :
1951 Crotch Cooler 11G Split Ragtop
1953 Zwitter
1964 Chop Top |
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