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bkeith85 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 2:07 pm Post subject: Are there any good condensers? |
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I've bought 3 Bosch condensers lately and none of them will work. The last two were supposedly NOS, so I hoped they'd work. The grommet is loose in the distributor body for one thing, but now I find the wire is too short so the grommet won't fit in the bracket that secures it. Has anyone else had this problem? These are the "made in turkey" ones. I've heard Napa has good ones,but I can't get to a Napa for a few days. Guess I actually have to ct the old wires off and solder them to the new condenser. This is ridiculous.
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any good condensers? |
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I've sold thousands and only had a handful reported as going bad in a short time.
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bkeith85 Samba Member
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any good condensers? |
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Sorry... bosch. _________________ Glenn
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bkeith85 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any good condensers? |
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Had to add an inch of wire for it to reach the fork in the bracket.
No one will notice. Looks factory, right?
Now I can at least tell if the condenser was the problem. If it is, I'll go get one from Napa. _________________ My build thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=614323&highlight= |
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metoooo Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 2:05 am Post subject: Re: Are there any good condensers? |
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New Bosch products are crap. Get BERU brand |
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bkeith85 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 7:18 am Post subject: Re: Are there any good condensers? |
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Do you have a part number for the Beru ones? I'll try to look for them locally.
I have checked NAPA, but the only one that looks correct is Echlin EP259. On that one the long wire to the coil looks to be too short. I haven't seen it in person, but the pic on the website doesn't look quite right.
The SMP GB122 looks pretty good, but I don't know if I can get one locally. I'd have to order it.
I'll look for Beru parts and see what I can find. _________________ My build thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=614323&highlight= |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Are there any good condensers? |
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metoooo wrote: |
New Bosch products are crap. Get BERU brand |
The Bosch and Beru are made in the same factory in Turkey. _________________ Glenn
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heimlich VWNOS.com
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Are there any good condensers? |
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Those are not NOS condensers. Those are currently produced in the Turkey factory for Bosch. I sell a lot of them without any issues. There are no problems. Bosch generally guarantees it's parts for 2 years. Different sellers warranty for different periods.
If you buy from me I will make sure they work for you without issue.
For that one that you have you can push up on the grommet and stretch the wire a little bit until the grommet foes into the fork. Those grommets do not fit the hole in the side of the distributor tightly. They kind of just lay in there. What holds them in place is the screw that goes in the side. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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scottyrocks Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any good condensers? |
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I stumbled on a fix that involves a printed circuit board capacitor. The specs are the same as a condenser, 22 microfrands, or some such. I mounted it in a piece of J track and then to one of the coil bolts, and wired it as the condenser would be wired. It works perfectly for what it does.
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bkeith85 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any good condensers? |
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heimlich wrote: |
Those are not NOS condensers. Those are currently produced in the Turkey factory for Bosch. I sell a lot of them without any issues. There are no problems. Bosch generally guarantees it's parts for 2 years. Different sellers warranty for different periods.
If you buy from me I will make sure they work for you without issue.
For that one that you have you can push up on the grommet and stretch the wire a little bit until the grommet foes into the fork. Those grommets do not fit the hole in the side of the distributor tightly. They kind of just lay in there. What holds them in place is the screw that goes in the side. |
Actually, I did order them from you a couple weeks ago. I just don't like that I have to pull the wire so tight that it almost breaks. I have an old Bosch one on there now and it has about 10mm more wire so you don't have to stretch it. I was able to extend the wire on one of the new ones I got from you to determine that the problem is not the condenser. I will just continue to use the old one I have. It's a shame that they can't make them properly. I'd gladly pay more to get a longer wire. How much could 10mm more wire cost? _________________ My build thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=614323&highlight= |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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bkeith85 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any good condensers? |
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Well, I ordered the Standard Motor Products (SMP) version of this part and it came today. It's identical to the Bosch part except for the laser etched part number. It is also made in Turkey. Same short wire. So there is another one I can't use. I may try one from Napa just to see if it is a viable option. But at that point, I will have spent about $100 trying to get one good condenser, which is supposed to be the cheapest ignition part you can buy. Except for a single spark plug, I guess. _________________ My build thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=614323&highlight= |
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heimlich VWNOS.com
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any good condensers? |
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bkeith85 wrote: |
Actually, I did order them from you a couple weeks ago. I just don't like that I have to pull the wire so tight that it almost breaks. |
It won't break. If it does I'll send you a replacement. Once you pop that plastic piece over the fork the wire loosens up. Try it out and let me know how it goes. I just did this to one and it resulted in plenty of loose wire afterwards. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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scottyrocks Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any good condensers? |
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Certainly neater than what I did, but that's it. _________________ “If you care for a thing long enough, it takes on a life of its own, doesn't it? Mending old things, preserving them, looking after them – on some level there's no rational grounds for it.”
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sjbartnik Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any good condensers? |
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bkeith85 wrote: |
Well, I ordered the Standard Motor Products (SMP) version of this part and it came today. It's identical to the Bosch part except for the laser etched part number. It is also made in Turkey. Same short wire. So there is another one I can't use. I may try one from Napa just to see if it is a viable option. But at that point, I will have spent about $100 trying to get one good condenser, which is supposed to be the cheapest ignition part you can buy. Except for a single spark plug, I guess. |
Probably not a whole lot of factories in the world making condensors these days so it doesn't totally surprise me that they're all coming from the same factory in Turkey
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