Bypass oil filter new production on a budget?

[Lingwendil]

Planning a back-burner Vintage Speed inspired 1600 single port, but figured this was a decent place to ask- is anyone familiar with these? Looks like a new production Fram F3 copy more or less. I know the brackets aren't vintage style but it looks like with some hoses made up it would work just as well.

https://www.kaiserwillys.com/fram-style-oil-filter...dEALw_wcB#

They even have decals for them- for anyone that likes all that-
https://www.kaiserwillys.com/decal-set-for-small-fram-oil-canister-fits-46-72-willys-civilian-jeeps
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Need replacement filters for original Kadron aircleaners? WIX #42087 is a perfect fit, as is Napa Gold #2087!

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Why would you want a bypass ...get yourself a full flow oil canister ..

[John Moxon]

[Lingwendil]

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why install the two?? Just look for a full flow canister ..👇👇
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FH6-PL with replacement cartridge CH-6PL

[TomSimon]

Those were a pretty common add-on accessory in the 50's and 60's, I come across them at garage sales and old car swap meets every now and again. In fact, I have one sitting in a cardboard box, in my way, with your name on it if you want it.

You once gave a me a really good deal on a complete 36hp engine, how about $20 for this filter?

---Tom
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[Lingwendil]

Sounds good to me

Sending PM!
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73 super beetle thread http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=649622 Back on the Road!

Modify your Kadrons for SVDA http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8115884#8115884

Cast iron VJU4BR8 SVDA reference thread- https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0

Need replacement filters for original Kadron aircleaners? WIX #42087 is a perfect fit, as is Napa Gold #2087!

[Lingwendil]

Delayed update, but thanks to the rather generous Tom Simon I now have a perfect bypass filter to use for my back-burner project. After doing a bit of research to figure out exactly what this was originally used for, it looks like I ended up with something I'm fairly certain no one else has run on a VW engine-

This is a Fram bypass filter with integral mounting bracket as used on the flathead L134 inline four cylinder engine that was used in the Willy's Jeep after WWII, specifically, this style on the later CJ2A. It has each of the ports threaded 1/8NPT, and was at some point repainted black over the original orange on the body, as shown by the internal paint and on the small scratches on it. The oil inlet fitting points differently than would normally be done when using the Fram F3P, but if installing a fitting here it can be clocked to run the hose where needed without issue. It takes the exact same cartridges as the Fram F3 cans do, and the first cartridge I tried at the local Tractor Supply was a perfect fit I also find it funny that I started this thread looking at Jeep parts and still ended up with one in the end, but at least it's a good used original piece! Makes the project more fun!

Another interesting note is that these engines were available with a single Carter YF carburetor, or on some foreign licensed production with a Solex PBIC carburetor, with a pretty common replacement being the common reproduction Solex 34PBIC carburetor. I have my suspicions that the same aftermarket units included with the Wolfsburg west okrasa kits are originally intended as replacement units for the vintage Jeep market.

Handy drain plug too-

Mocked up on a doghouse shroud-

Inlet port clears nicely-

I think I may round the edges of the bracket off, file the edges of the lower mounting slot, clean it up and repaint the body orange, with the lid and mounting brackets in black. Should work well and look the part for what I'm going for as far as a simple build that a farmboy could have done back when the car was new

Plan is to go for some 1/8NPT to -4AN fittings, and some crimped turbo oil feed lines to plumb it in, as they are affordable, visually similar to the Porsche style lines, available in many different lengths, and work well-

The purists may get all snooty at a Jeep or orange "tractor part" on the engine, but it's gonna be a fun engine to plan and piece together.
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Modify your Kadrons for SVDA http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8115884#8115884

Cast iron VJU4BR8 SVDA reference thread- https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0

Need replacement filters for original Kadron aircleaners? WIX #42087 is a perfect fit, as is Napa Gold #2087!

[Bub]

Not to Hijack the thread- but I think I have basically the same old canister filter and I'm wondering if anyone has had oil return problems or issues with it draining?
Recent 1386cc / Single port (yes..I know, but it's f*cking awesome) build and I put a 26mm (6mm stud type3) oil pump on it.
I initially had the oil return into the generator stand and I have the oil baffle installed there - and after a while it would fill up the entire stand and overflow from the draft tube. I thought that was really weird?

Now have it plumbed through the distributor stud and the canister doesn't empty fast enough to keep up with the filling. The inlet and outlet are the same size...I'm not sure if it's the oil pump or something odd about my canister setup.

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[Lingwendil]

Gonna just throw some links I found in my research on this thing here really quick for later reference-
https://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/oil-filter_topic13175.html
https://www.willysjeepparts.com/Oil_Filter_643147_K.htm

But, in regards to your issue, but it sounds like you have way too much flow going into it. I think what you need to do is add a restrictor to the line feeding the oil filter housing.

Some applications of these had a very small 1-1.5mm opening in the feed fitting that supplied oil to them in their original applications, and some didn't, requiring them to be added if used outside their original application. without it you have full oil pressure blasting oil through with the smallest ID of the lines or fittings being the only way to limit the feed to the filter. Depending on how large the return hole in the center shaft of the filter assembly is you may need to add an additional restriction in the feed to it.

Years ago I pulled one of these from either a ford/dodge (can't remember which, very old, 40's-50's era) and it had fairly large hole in the return, and the feed fitting off of the engine had a very small 1/16" or so restrictor in it at the fitting to the hose.

I plan to overcome this by using a turbo oil feed fitting that has a ~1mm or so center orifice to restrict flow to the supply line.
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73 super beetle thread http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=649622 Back on the Road!

Modify your Kadrons for SVDA http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8115884#8115884

Cast iron VJU4BR8 SVDA reference thread- https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0

Need replacement filters for original Kadron aircleaners? WIX #42087 is a perfect fit, as is Napa Gold #2087!

[Bub]

Thanks for the reply.

I currently have a tiny ball bearing in the inlet and only a very tiny bit of oil goes through, so it’s effectively disabled.
My logic was probably wrong- having inlet and outlet the same size, since the inlet is under pressure.
I can easily restrict the inlet down a couple mm’s.. I’ll give that a try. I also should check my outlet line, I got it in a big lot of parts and it occurred to me that might be restricting the outlet flow also.
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[earthquake]

How about a Frantz filter, I remember my Father changing the oil on our 58 Ford Ranchero with a 292 V8, the filter took a roll of toilet paper instead of a regular filter.

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[5500]

Dittos on the turbo oil line restrictor. I picked up a restrictor fitting for the inlet that fits between the oil line and cannister off e-bay that works well (no leaks). My cannister never totally empties, even after the car has been sitting but there are no oil leaks. Also running a 26mm pump, return line through the distributor stud, a WW restrictor baffle in the oil filler neck and a Vintage Speed Inox oil filler.