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LAGrunthaner
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Clara 
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| RBurn wrote: |
I can’t imagine buying anything without seeing it in person. Have you purchased a vehicle by just looking at pictures? Was it as expected? .....
Don’t get me started on Calif and used sales tax and then registration fees 
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I bought a bus on pictures alone, even though I was worried about rust. It had Minnesota plates. But I knew if I didn't jump, someone else would get it. I said, don't worry about more pictures, I'm buying it. No haggling, I'll send a wire. They shipped it and it showed up at the door and the rust was better than I expected. There were good pics in the ad, but none of underneath. It was really clear it was a cool bus.
It was advertised by a business, who was selling it for a customer.
I think it is normal for states to charge sales tax when you register a car you just bought. Most states charge sales tax on sales (well, not Oregon)
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Clara
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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decent looking bus. very clean. Minnesota
nit pick: interior panel is shaped wrong, is the shelf missing?
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von_hansel
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2022 7:09 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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It's because it is an October of '66 built bus that did not come from the factory with reverse lights. It came with the outlet above the left side tail light.
Someone added reverse lights. To do so, they needed to move the outlet, so they moved it to the inside.
The SO42 kit looks like the repop interior OC Westy makes.
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a smith
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Of note when you look at the "US" sellers other ads they list multiple states from Maryland to Idaho to Alaska. Seems shifty. |
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Weezle
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Of note when you look at the "US" sellers other ads they list multiple states from Maryland to Idaho to Alaska. Seems shifty. |
shifty, sketchy, smells fishy, suspect, somethings rotten in Denmark etc. etc.
I complained about an add showing a bus for sale in the US "in storage" but all the pics were clearly in Brasil. Asked for pics showing the bus in the US and never heard back. The ad was removed by admin but popped up again a week or two later 
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nlorntson
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don.ville
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:38 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| Cash is king. Never let the digital currency take over. Ever. |
Not always. Especially with fake bills.
One previous seller said he had only cash.
I said meet me at my bank.
I told him he will be handing the cash directly to the bank teller before I sign title and give keys. The teller asked him to replace one of the $100 notes.
In the end, I get a bank deposit slip, both of us are on camera, I walk out with no cash on me so I won’t be robbed of it.
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ryans65
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:19 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Yes-
I like imagine if I have $1000 on a debit card and someone else had $1000 cash and we both threw them in a fire which one of us would still have our money?! 
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| Cash is king. Never let the digital currency take over. Ever. |
Not always. Especially with fake bills.
One previous seller said he had only cash.
I said meet me at my bank.
I told him he will be handing the cash directly to the bank teller before I sign title and give keys. The teller asked him to replace one of the $100 notes.
In the end, I get a bank deposit slip, both of us are on camera, I walk out with no cash on me so I won’t be robbed of it. |
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Erik G
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| a smith wrote: |
Of note when you look at the "US" sellers other ads they list multiple states from Maryland to Idaho to Alaska. Seems shifty. |
shifty, sketchy, smells fishy, suspect, somethings rotten in Denmark etc. etc.
I complained about an add showing a bus for sale in the US "in storage" but all the pics were clearly in Brasil. Asked for pics showing the bus in the US and never heard back. The ad was removed by admin but popped up again a week or two later |
and here is the ad in Brazil for $13K
https://sc.olx.com.br/florianopolis-e-regiao/autos...1030602100
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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I think they are dreaming.
I sold mine about three years ago and it was complete, strong original paint, vintage speed 36hp, for $32k. I doubt the market on patina PG/SGs has doubled since. If it has the guy who bought mine must be feeling pretty good.
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Graysvws
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I was just noticing this. There are a few other original paint pgsg buses I know are also available at the moment and have been a while for comparable pricing. None of which have seen to be moving. I think generally speaking the people who treasure some of this early stuff most are not the ones willing to spend big bucks on a bus. I use to hear a higher end bus seller call them investment grade…If you want a safe investment you can liquidate quick and easy then buy the cheesiest 60’s solid bus you can get.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2022 7:21 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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It’s not grabby color combo for the uninitiated, that’s for sure.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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In general, what patina buses have sold for big money? I think that patina is more something for us bus nerds than for the big money spending crowd. I don't think it supports much of a premium over a repaint unfortunately.
What it does do is tell a (usually) honest story of condition. It also saves the big money that a quality body and paint job costs and the problems associated with reworking a car and making it a shiny object that sees little of the road.
I would love for patina and original condition to draw a premium that was multiples of what a restored example will sell for, but I don't see it ever happening.
All that said, if you appreciate patina and solid buses, there are some amazing buses for sale in the pgsg department right now. At a perhaps better price point, they would be great to own and drive. Joey's bus in particular, is a true dialed in driver, which is worth so much more than most people realize. Most buses that are for sale on this site need lots of expensive mechanical work to be real reliable divers. People often don't factor in that their bus will need $10k+ of mechanical work after they pay big money for it, because you can't see how it will drive from pictures.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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In general, what patina buses have sold for big money? I think that patina is more something for us bus nerds than for the big money spending crowd. I don't think it supports much of a premium over a repaint unfortunately.
What it does do is tell a (usually) honest story of condition. It also saves the big money that a quality body and paint job costs and the problems associated with reworking a car and making it a shiny object that sees little of the road.
I would love for patina and original condition to draw a premium that was multiples of what a restored example will sell for, but I don't see it ever happening.
All that said, if you appreciate patina and solid buses, there are some amazing buses for sale in the pgsg department right now. At a perhaps better price point, they would be great to own and drive. Joey's bus in particular, is a true dialed in driver, which is worth so much more than most people realize. Most buses that are for sale on this site need lots of expensive mechanical work to be real reliable divers. People often don't factor in that their bus will need $10k+ of mechanical work after they pay big money for it, because you can't see how it will drive from pictures. |
Well said Lind. Patina (not roached out rusty piles that people are too broke or lazy to fix) but original paint, patina VW's are most often for the people who appreciate the his-story and want to drive them. |
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Graysvws
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You are correct, I have only noticed a handful of “patina” buses to bring crazy money. But I also still believe a restored ‘60’s bus typically is an easier sell at the same price as a comparable restored early bus. And unfortunately I think most buy what they see in the pics caring little about its actual mechanical condition and expenses to come.
What’s the price point going to have to reach for the pgsg’s in question? 40’s? 50’s? I’m into several different makes of classic cars but have always loved buses most and I personally couldn’t see paying in the 60’s for any of these knowing what else could be bought for the same or less. Heck, I bought a ‘40 Ford Woodie original paint, wood, drivetrain etc with a great story and drove across country home for significantly less than these buses are. It was no lucky deal find, just market value.
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In general, what patina buses have sold for big money? I think that patina is more something for us bus nerds than for the big money spending crowd. I don't think it supports much of a premium over a repaint unfortunately.
What it does do is tell a (usually) honest story of condition. It also saves the big money that a quality body and paint job costs and the problems associated with reworking a car and making it a shiny object that sees little of the road.
I would love for patina and original condition to draw a premium that was multiples of what a restored example will sell for, but I don't see it ever happening.
All that said, if you appreciate patina and solid buses, there are some amazing buses for sale in the pgsg department right now. At a perhaps better price point, they would be great to own and drive. Joey's bus in particular, is a true dialed in driver, which is worth so much more than most people realize. Most buses that are for sale on this site need lots of expensive mechanical work to be real reliable divers. People often don't factor in that their bus will need $10k+ of mechanical work after they pay big money for it, because you can't see how it will drive from pictures. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:03 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| Lind wrote: |
In general, what patina buses have sold for big money? I think that patina is more something for us bus nerds than for the big money spending crowd. I don't think it supports much of a premium over a repaint unfortunately.
What it does do is tell a (usually) honest story of condition. It also saves the big money that a quality body and paint job costs and the problems associated with reworking a car and making it a shiny object that sees little of the road.
I would love for patina and original condition to draw a premium that was multiples of what a restored example will sell for, but I don't see it ever happening.
All that said, if you appreciate patina and solid buses, there are some amazing buses for sale in the pgsg department right now. At a perhaps better price point, they would be great to own and drive. Joey's bus in particular, is a true dialed in driver, which is worth so much more than most people realize. Most buses that are for sale on this site need lots of expensive mechanical work to be real reliable divers. People often don't factor in that their bus will need $10k+ of mechanical work after they pay big money for it, because you can't see how it will drive from pictures. |
Agreed. I wonder though, how many people really care about great drivability. A lot of buses are seldom driven more than a few hundred or thousand miles a year.
as someone who would love a og paint PG/SG the above listed are interesting but other than Joeys seem a bit high especially the one with a camper kit and Gerson metal.
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myklsmyth
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| You are correct, I have only noticed a handful of “patina” buses to bring crazy money. But I also still believe a restored ‘60’s bus typically is an easier sell at the same price as a comparable restored early bus. And unfortunately I think most buy what they see in the pics caring little about its actual mechanical condition and expenses to come. |
Really? Why is that? Curious, because it wouldn't to me. |
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