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motomwo Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 9:49 am Post subject: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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Has anyone seen any dyno testing results using these EMPI ida manifolds? (Circled in red) Anyone using these currently and have you experienced any tuning problems? The manifold for the 1-2 side has a big dog leg. I was looking at these only because I would like to run air cleaner/filters and still be able to close the deck lid on either my 61 or 66 bug.
Marty
_________________ 1961 Bug, 2276 cb wedge ports 44x37 11.1 comp fk10 1.5 rockers 48idf's 1 3/4" header Rancho pro street trans SAW axles Airkewld 4# narrowed beam, Koni shocks, Airkewld dis brake all around. 5.5/4.5 BRMs
1966 Bug, 2127, panchito heads, fk8, 1.3 rockers, dual 44idfs, 1 5/8 merge header, Rancho pro strt flyer, empi axles, Airkewld's 4" beam and discs all around and adjustable shocks. 4.5 & 5.5 BRMs |
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fuguboy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 10:56 am Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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I would think the other 631 short manifold is better, kinda obviously uneven runner length. |
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RCP Phx Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2021 Posts: 496 Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 11:08 am Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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That's a equation just asking for problems! |
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slalombuggy Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 9147 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2022 6:38 am Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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The runs are so short I doubt anything will show up on a dyno. |
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bugguy1967 Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2008 Posts: 4343 Location: Los Angeles, CA 90016
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2022 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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Silly silly design. Find something straighter. _________________ "A petrol engine can start readily, run smoothly and give every appearance of being in good order, without necessarily being in good tune." - Colin Campbell, "The Sportscar Engine" |
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Lingwendil Samba Member
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76939 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2022 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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Lingwendil wrote: |
Why bother running IDAs just to hobble them with a 90 degree turn directly under the throttle plate? |
Because they look KEWL. _________________ Glenn
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motomwo Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2017 Posts: 263 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2022 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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Glenn wrote: |
Lingwendil wrote: |
Why bother running IDAs just to hobble them with a 90 degree turn directly under the throttle plate? |
Because they look KEWL. |
It is not about looking "kewl". Just thought I would ask a couple of questions and as usual if it something out of the "norm" a guy gets flamed.
Yes I can see the dog leg in the manifold, that is EXACTLY WHY I asked if someone has tried them and the results. _________________ 1961 Bug, 2276 cb wedge ports 44x37 11.1 comp fk10 1.5 rockers 48idf's 1 3/4" header Rancho pro street trans SAW axles Airkewld 4# narrowed beam, Koni shocks, Airkewld dis brake all around. 5.5/4.5 BRMs
1966 Bug, 2127, panchito heads, fk8, 1.3 rockers, dual 44idfs, 1 5/8 merge header, Rancho pro strt flyer, empi axles, Airkewld's 4" beam and discs all around and adjustable shocks. 4.5 & 5.5 BRMs |
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Matthew Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2004 Posts: 1760 Location: Eastern Tennessee
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2022 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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motomwo wrote: |
It is not about looking "kewl". Just thought I would ask a couple of questions and as usual if it something out of the "norm" a guy gets flamed.
Yes I can see the dog leg in the manifold, that is EXACTLY WHY I asked if someone has tried them and the results. |
So far just speculation and negative comments. Looks like no one has had them on a flow bench. They do look odd, but we don’t know with out someone testing them right? _________________ 1965 Beetle sedan
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Paul.H Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 12:06 am Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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Lingwendil wrote: |
Why bother running IDAs just to hobble them with a 90 degree turn directly under the throttle plate? |
Why bother running IDAs ? |
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nextgen Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 6029 Location: CONGERS, N.Y.
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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Keep looking I am sure there are other brands that save space.
I have a set of cast iron, lowering space savers. They were for my Dells.
Could not adjust my carbs with the stock 914 manifolds that came with my carbs they were too high but beautiful aluminum. Got them from Claude's Bugs
30 years ago.
But I would think you can get for mostly any well known carbs. _________________ email: [email protected]
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9770 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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Are Jay-Cee intake manifolds to tall?
Sorry for the bad pic.
It's the best an old man can do when holding a tape measure and trying to take a pic. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76939 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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_________________ Glenn
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motomwo Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2017 Posts: 263 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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Thank you posting the pictures. Those would probably work depending on the air filters used. I am looking for pictures of this style size of manifolds with air filters installed in the bug. _________________ 1961 Bug, 2276 cb wedge ports 44x37 11.1 comp fk10 1.5 rockers 48idf's 1 3/4" header Rancho pro street trans SAW axles Airkewld 4# narrowed beam, Koni shocks, Airkewld dis brake all around. 5.5/4.5 BRMs
1966 Bug, 2127, panchito heads, fk8, 1.3 rockers, dual 44idfs, 1 5/8 merge header, Rancho pro strt flyer, empi axles, Airkewld's 4" beam and discs all around and adjustable shocks. 4.5 & 5.5 BRMs |
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motomwo Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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Doing some more looking around and found this thread talking about the same thing that Dan Ruddock started.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=585481&highlight=ida+filters _________________ 1961 Bug, 2276 cb wedge ports 44x37 11.1 comp fk10 1.5 rockers 48idf's 1 3/4" header Rancho pro street trans SAW axles Airkewld 4# narrowed beam, Koni shocks, Airkewld dis brake all around. 5.5/4.5 BRMs
1966 Bug, 2127, panchito heads, fk8, 1.3 rockers, dual 44idfs, 1 5/8 merge header, Rancho pro strt flyer, empi axles, Airkewld's 4" beam and discs all around and adjustable shocks. 4.5 & 5.5 BRMs |
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motomwo Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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Here is something that would work I think with the short style manifolds. The manifolds in this picture look "tall" to me. Are they the tall or short manifolds?
_________________ 1961 Bug, 2276 cb wedge ports 44x37 11.1 comp fk10 1.5 rockers 48idf's 1 3/4" header Rancho pro street trans SAW axles Airkewld 4# narrowed beam, Koni shocks, Airkewld dis brake all around. 5.5/4.5 BRMs
1966 Bug, 2127, panchito heads, fk8, 1.3 rockers, dual 44idfs, 1 5/8 merge header, Rancho pro strt flyer, empi axles, Airkewld's 4" beam and discs all around and adjustable shocks. 4.5 & 5.5 BRMs |
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motomwo Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
Are Jay-Cee intake manifolds to tall?
Sorry for the bad pic.
It's the best an old man can do when holding a tape measure and trying to take a pic. |
Thank you for the pictures and measurement. Did you ever receive the ram flow filters to try you discussed in this topic?
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=750119&highlight=ida+filters _________________ 1961 Bug, 2276 cb wedge ports 44x37 11.1 comp fk10 1.5 rockers 48idf's 1 3/4" header Rancho pro street trans SAW axles Airkewld 4# narrowed beam, Koni shocks, Airkewld dis brake all around. 5.5/4.5 BRMs
1966 Bug, 2127, panchito heads, fk8, 1.3 rockers, dual 44idfs, 1 5/8 merge header, Rancho pro strt flyer, empi axles, Airkewld's 4" beam and discs all around and adjustable shocks. 4.5 & 5.5 BRMs |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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Sadly, No!
I tried to get the post office to retrieve them. But they refused to help.
Money gone down the drain.
It happens in this hobby. I figure karma will get the vendor, sooner or later.
I'm going a completely different direction this time around.
So I have no need for the Ram-Flow filters, anymore!
If you like a pair, Ohio Tom has/had a set that he offered me, in the background.
Maybe he still has them for sale. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76939 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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real DDS shorties in a 67.
_________________ Glenn
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Matthew Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 5:46 am Post subject: Re: EMPI IDA "space saver" manifolds |
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What brand are these? _________________ 1965 Beetle sedan
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