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maco70 Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2011 Posts: 456 Location: Montréal, Québec
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:27 pm Post subject: Dielectric grease on connectors? |
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Hi,
I plan to put Dielectric grease on mostly all connectors, like the ones for the headlights and sidemarker lights, ect.
I believe it would help to prevent corrosion and preserve a good électricien contact, but I wonder to know if there is warning to use dielectric grease in some places?
Regards, _________________ Martin from Montréal
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fxr Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Dielectric grease on connectors |
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I can't think of anywhere it shouldn't be used. _________________ Jim Crowther
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jimf909 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Dielectric grease on connectors |
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Dielectric grease protects the terminals from corrosion and does not conduct electricity so it's safe to use anywhere. The contacts open to the elements that you mention are prime candidates for it but any electrical connection on the van seems like it would benefit or at least not be harmed. _________________ - Jim
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maco70 Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2011 Posts: 456 Location: Montréal, Québec
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: Dielectric grease on connectors |
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Thanks Jim.
Just thinking then sharing my idea…
If the dielectric grease doesn’t conduct electricity, could it act as an isolator then stopping the current, if we apply too much of grease between the connectors? _________________ Martin from Montréal
1986 Vanagon GL full camper westfalia
(brown/tan interior)
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do.dah Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 444 Location: Washington
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Dielectric grease on connectors |
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I use anti-oxidant electrical grease.
Since, by definition, it's conductive, I clean the grease off between contacts in a connector, just to be safe. |
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DanHoug Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 4777 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Dielectric grease on connectors |
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maco70 wrote: |
Thanks Jim.
Just thinking then sharing my idea…
If the dielectric grease doesn’t conduct electricity, could it act as an isolator then stopping the current, if we apply too much if grease between the connectors? |
nope. ALL electrical contact is made by metal to metal contact, the electrons don't 'jump a gap' at the voltages we're dealing with. pressing two conductors together excludes the dielectric and forms the crucial oxygen free barrier around the metal to metal bond.
but there's better stuff than just dielectric grease, which is still really good compared to nothing. Penetrox is an industry standard for compression electrical connections and here's a blurb from Penetrox regarding its properties:
"PENETROX™ oxide-inhibiting compounds produce low initial contact resistance, seal out air and moisture, prevent oxidation or corrosion, exhibit superior
weathering characteristics, are usable over wide temperature ranges and provide a high conductivity “gas-tight” joint. All PENETROX™ compounds contain homogeneously suspended metal particles. The suspended metal particles assist in penetrating thin oxide film, act as electrical “bridges” between conductor strands, aid in gripping the conductor, improve electrical
conductivity and enhance the integrity of the connection." _________________ -dan
60% of what you find on the internet is wrong, including this post.
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1988M5 Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2016 Posts: 674 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Dielectric grease on connectors |
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I totally disagree.
1st things first, change the name of "Dielectric" grease to what it really is, "no electricity will flow through me" grease. At least in your minds, the marketing teams of this product will never agree to this..
That reality description doesn't bring warm fuzzy feelings through me with respect to helping an electrical situation/problem/issue. Just the opposite.
The original intent of this grease was to keep brand new built electrical parts/wiring junction free of outside possible contamination from the elements, nothing more, no up side electrically, just less potential future downside and keep the car companies away from warranty complains.
I've seen customer home brew/DIY "improvements" using dielectric grease, new connectors, heat shrink, solder, proper oxygen free crimps, solder after proper crimps (ruining them) only to find inches of green corrosion on the OEM copper wire feeding it.
My point here is don't add an element that can only hurt the electrical circuit.
BK
PS If any thing use something that can help like;
https://www.amazon.com/Hosa-D5S-6-DeoxIT-Contact-Cleaner/dp/B00006LVEU _________________ 1991 tin top GL
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dobryan Samba Member
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jimf909 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: Dielectric grease on connectors |
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1988M5 wrote: |
I totally disagree.
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What part of "does not conduct electricity" are you disagreeing with? Or are you disagreeing with something else? It's not clear. For folks reading it would be helpful to know what you're disagreeing with. _________________ - Jim
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Ahwahnee Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Dielectric grease on connectors? |
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What he said... used correctly dielectric grease protects connections and reduces the possibility of unwanted conduction. I use it freely and have not observed any downside. |
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1988M5 Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2016 Posts: 674 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: Dielectric grease on connectors |
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jimf909 wrote: |
1988M5 wrote: |
I totally disagree.
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What part of "does not conduct electricity" are you disagreeing with? Or are you disagreeing with something else? It's not clear. For folks reading it would be helpful to know what you're disagreeing with. |
Simple, why horse around with a compound that can only hurt a circuit?
The compound is meant to reduce the failure/complaints after many years in service. _________________ 1991 tin top GL
2002 Winnebago Vista. VW VR6 24V Eurovan front clip powered class C 21' RV.
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fxr Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: Dielectric grease on connectors? |
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Please explain to me how a dielectric grease can 'hurt' a circuit? This electronics engineer of many decades experience would be intrigued to learn something new to refute something so fundamental to normal operation and practice...
I call FUD - and trolling. _________________ Jim Crowther
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: Dielectric grease on connectors |
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1988M5 wrote: |
jimf909 wrote: |
1988M5 wrote: |
I totally disagree.
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What part of "does not conduct electricity" are you disagreeing with? Or are you disagreeing with something else? It's not clear. For folks reading it would be helpful to know what you're disagreeing with. |
Simple, why horse around with a compound that can only hurt a circuit?
The compound is meant to reduce the failure/complaints after many years in service. |
You quite obviously have never been around road salts, where exposure to the elements can damage an electrical connection in hours, whereas if one uses dielectric grease he may get by without having to clean the very same connection for years.
It simple, add a product that can only help a circuit instead of having to horse around with corroded connections over and over because of the name given to a product. |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7918 Location: Arizona
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16863 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Dielectric grease on connectors? |
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fxr wrote: |
Please explain to me how a dielectric grease can 'hurt' a circuit? |
my .02 and real life experience...
long story short is i put it on a horn contact ring. after it was applied, no more toot toot
it's an insulator. you pray that the act of making a connection scrapes it off to make a good solid connection.
it was originally designed to put a dab in spark plug boots/spark plug ceramic to help seal from moisture and aid in removal
if you want something to improve a connection, Stabilant 22 is what you want.
if you want to see how great dielectric grease is as an insulator, go rip the connector off of any module in a CAN BUS system, pack it full and report back
dielectric grease is a corrosion/moisture inhibitor. it is NOT a way to enhance connectivity _________________
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atarasi Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: Dielectric grease on connectors? |
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I think many posts are saying the same thing. Silicone grease aka dielectric grease, doesn’t conduct electricity, it works as an insulator. So, it sounds like you need to know how to apply it correctly. Use it around a connection to protect it from corrosion not between an electrical connection to hinder the flow of current. |
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maco70 Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2011 Posts: 456 Location: Montréal, Québec
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:44 am Post subject: Re: Dielectric grease on connectors? |
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A lot of informations !
If I can resume for myself, on the connectors I could put stabilant 22, Penetrox or any of these products that improve the connectivity, then I could put dielectric grease on the assembly, over the sheath. _________________ Martin from Montréal
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jimf909 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:34 am Post subject: Re: Dielectric grease on connectors? |
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maco70 wrote: |
A lot of informations !
If I can resume for myself, on the connectors I could put stabilant 22, Penetrox or any of these products that improve the connectivity, then I could put dielectric grease on the assembly, over the sheath. |
As you can see, you've raised questions about an application where folks have different opinions and you'll get different answers.
My dad taught me much of what I know and he never used dielectric grease so for years I never used dielectric grease. Back in 1988 when my brand new 1988 BMW motorcycle had a small fire that burned the wiring harness to the taillights I reassembled it (I can't tell you exactly how other than I used no dielectric grease) and it's working well to this day 34 years later. Later in life I learned about dielectric grease and have been using it on wire connections and it seems to also work well. I've never used Penetrex although knowledgeable folks recommend it.
Your suggestion to use both Penetrex and dielectric grease seems like too much work for too little gain. Put a dab of dielectric grease on the terminal, make the connection and move on is my suggestion. FWIW, YMMV. _________________ - Jim
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danfromsyr Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Dielectric grease on connectors? |
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I can see where/how a coating of Dielectric grease on a horn ring and it's weak spring tensioned contact would form a film that could/would build up under the spring tang and inhibit a good contact. especially if it's a non-relayed horn where full current is needed to get any noticeable sound out of it..
in this case it wasn't making the needed metal to metal connection..
not a proper location to use dielectric grease.
we all get learned by the physics of the natural universe on occasion.
for me it's most often sharp or heavy objects intercepting my physical body space..
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
fxr wrote: |
Please explain to me how a dielectric grease can 'hurt' a circuit? |
my .02 and real life experience...
long story short is i put it on a horn contact ring. after it was applied, no more toot toot
it's an insulator. you pray that the act of making a connection scrapes it off to make a good solid connection.
it was originally designed to put a dab in spark plug boots/spark plug ceramic to help seal from moisture and aid in removal
if you want something to improve a connection, Stabilant 22 is what you want.
if you want to see how great dielectric grease is as an insulator, go rip the connector off of any module in a CAN BUS system, pack it full and report back
dielectric grease is a corrosion/moisture inhibitor. it is NOT a way to enhance connectivity |
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maco70 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: Dielectric grease on connectors? |
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I agree, Jim.
It is maybe too much.
Many folks, many answers.
The learn is quite more philosophical perhaps.
Hava a good one. _________________ Martin from Montréal
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