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2type2 Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2002 Posts: 978 Location: SW Colorado
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:10 pm Post subject: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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I'm losing it. Seems I just need a book/manual in front me to stay on track or in procedural order. Forgot more than I learned it seems.
Anyway since the drive gear IS properly set, the problem is that the condenser hits the fuel lines before the distributor can be spun around to right timing. Switching the lower cam 180° does not look to solve it. It's the common svda ( cip) clone. Moving wires did not seem to clearl it. I have it set to max 30-31 at mechanical limit w/hose plugged but it falls to 10-11° btdc idle and runs crappy. I want to see what 5-7.5 ° does. Also noting that the vac advance goes up to 38° at 3600 rpm.
Maybe I just really need a nap, just confusing,lol. _________________ "A life of peace and happiness depends on your own gratefulness" |
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Chip Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2008 Posts: 969 Location: Utah
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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Sounds like you just need to reindex the drive until you can adjust the timing to where you want it. "Proper" isn't always right. Pull that drive, move it a tooth or two, make sure it is set all the way down, put the distributor back in the hole, fire it up and adjust timing to the sweet spot. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76938 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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Can you mount the condenser on another screw? _________________ Glenn
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2type2 Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2002 Posts: 978 Location: SW Colorado
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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So simply put, should I just pull up the drive and turn it Counter-Clockwise 2 teeth only? I have to check if it is possible to move condenser over. It's nuts because I just installed the same svda on my bug and had no issues with fit.Dont know why. _________________ "A life of peace and happiness depends on your own gratefulness" |
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BFB Samba Member
Joined: November 03, 2014 Posts: 1762
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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Had that happen before too. Just rotate the dizzy to where your happy and set a new #1 for the cap, whether its the next one to the right or left doesn’t matter as long as it fires at TDC for #1 one the cap. That’s a lot easier than pulling the drive and risking dropping shims _________________ Forced induction can overcome a lot of obsticles that gets in it's way
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2type2 Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2002 Posts: 978 Location: SW Colorado
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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^Yes BFB, I am surely aware of that. It's what is driving me nuts,why isn't it working?
Set pulley to 7.5 btdc, verify at valves ,#3
Set up static timing light
Rotate dist clockwise till light goes out,
Rotate dist counterclockwise till light comes on...stop the when light just goes out
Rotate clockwise till just comes on, lock dist down
Wires clockwise 1,4,3,2 from TDC rotor position
Confirm and set with strobe light
I'm missing something somewhere , it's not working. Strong cranking, no firing..
When I had it running, the timing was far advanced to 65°+ at 3k rpm. Thus the need to turn dist so far. _________________ "A life of peace and happiness depends on your own gratefulness" |
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vwtrey Samba Member
Joined: May 18, 2004 Posts: 587 Location: NM
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:36 am Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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2type2 wrote: |
Set pulley to 7.5 btdc, verify at valves ,#3
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Why #3? Unless I'm understanding you wrong, At TDC, #1 both valves should be closed. |
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2type2 Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2002 Posts: 978 Location: SW Colorado
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:56 am Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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Turn crank back and forth, both #3 Rockers move like tapping fingers. _________________ "A life of peace and happiness depends on your own gratefulness" |
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vwtrey Samba Member
Joined: May 18, 2004 Posts: 587 Location: NM
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:57 am Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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2type2 wrote: |
Turn crank back and forth, both #3 Rockers move like tapping fingers. |
Understood, same same |
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3579 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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Take a breath. I know of no distributor that can't be indexed within 44 degrees no matter were the drive gear sits. Unless you have a retarded #3 any hole in the cap can fire any spark plug. Turn your distributor to a spot that allows the most movement without interference, make sure your on #1 compression. Which ever hole the rotor points closest to is now the number 1 plug. Clockwise on the distributor go 4,3,2. |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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Yes you can set the distributor anywhere you want and re-arrange the wires in the cap to suit but... be aware that there is a splash oiling hole in the distributor base for the distributor shaft bushing that needs to line up with a cut out in the engine case.
I recently re-positioned the distributor on my sand rail to get the vacuum pot away from the heat of the exhaust on my custom exhaust system. That put the oil hole 180* off target so I just drilled a new hole on the other side of the distributor base shank to line up with the cut out in the case. _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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2type2 Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2002 Posts: 978 Location: SW Colorado
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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Thanks for all, 44° is plenty of leeway, or it should be.Appreciate the replies. I know what I'm doing and what is what , how it's supposed to done, have done it before without issue. This time something is screwing up the mojo. I am going to get back on it as soon as my brain is ready....starting from scratch at the very beginning. Got totally frustrated so I left it. _________________ "A life of peace and happiness depends on your own gratefulness" |
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3579 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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oprn wrote: |
Yes you can set the distributor anywhere you want and re-arrange the wires in the cap to suit but... be aware that there is a splash oiling hole in the distributor base for the distributor shaft bushing that needs to line up with a cut out in the engine case.
I recently re-positioned the distributor on my sand rail to get the vacuum pot away from the heat of the exhaust on my custom exhaust system. That put the oil hole 180* off target so I just drilled a new hole on the other side of the distributor base shank to line up with the cut out in the case. |
Yes non cast iron distributors have a oil hole. Bob Hoover mentions hot distributors because of wrong drive indexing. |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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All the stock distributors I have on the shelf have the oil hole, they are all aluminum bodied ones. Heck even the Pertronics III one does! Just one cheap Chinese unit that doesn't. _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3579 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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oprn wrote: |
All the stock distributors I have on the shelf have the oil hole, they are all aluminum bodied ones. Heck even the Pertronics III one does! Just one cheap Chinese unit that doesn't. |
So you have nothing from 1965 or older? |
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chrisflstf Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2004 Posts: 3444 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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I have an 034 original dist, (vac and mech), rebuilt by one the vendors here, and there is no way the hole and slot on these could be for oiling, as the cutout in the case is on the other side. It must be a vent, and wasnt on earlier distributors. |
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3579 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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chrisflstf wrote: |
I have an 034 original dist, (vac and mech), rebuilt by one the vendors here, and there is no way the hole and slot on these could be for oiling, as the cutout in the case is on the other side. It must be a vent, and wasnt on earlier distributors. |
If your drive is set right your dog is 180 degrees off. |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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bsairhead wrote: |
chrisflstf wrote: |
I have an 034 original dist, (vac and mech), rebuilt by one the vendors here, and there is no way the hole and slot on these could be for oiling, as the cutout in the case is on the other side. It must be a vent, and wasnt on earlier distributors. |
If your drive is set right your dog is 180 degrees off. |
^^^This!^^^ _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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oprn Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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bsairhead wrote: |
oprn wrote: |
All the stock distributors I have on the shelf have the oil hole, they are all aluminum bodied ones. Heck even the Pertronics III one does! Just one cheap Chinese unit that doesn't. |
So you have nothing from 1965 or older? |
Now that I think of it, yes I do have an old cast iron one in the hay shed somewhere off a 40 HP if I recall. _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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chrisflstf Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:38 am Post subject: Re: Distributor drive set proper, but can't spin svda way to adjust |
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If your drive is set right your dog is 180 degrees off. |
The drive dog position doesnt have anything to do with the location of this hole/slot in the distributor housing. With a vacuum can , you can not physically rotate so the hole/slot is lined up with the cutout in the case. |
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