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doublecabmel
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 Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:29 pm Post subject: 1957 ghia with no pan stamping. Thoughts? |
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| I looked at a 57 low light and wanted to match the vin # on the plate to the one on the pan below the rear seat. There is absolutely zero stamping on the pan, nor is there the indentation where the # would go. The whole thing is smooth. Please help |
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Starbucket
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: 1957 ghia with no pan stamping. Thoughts? |
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| I think you have to remove the cover over the shift coupler to find the #. |
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: 1957 ghia with no pan stamping. Thoughts? |
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From the APR59 Ghia owner's manual:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/4_59ghia/8.jpg
So if no VIN there, you probably have a VW dealer replacement pan.
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doublecabmel
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: 1957 ghia with no pan stamping. Thoughts? |
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| Is there any reason for a replacement pan? The car has always been in Ca and has zero rust. Having said that, how do you register the thing as there’s no stamped vin on the pan/frame? |
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:39 am Post subject: Re: 1957 ghia with no pan stamping. Thoughts? |
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| doublecabmel wrote: |
| Is there any reason for a replacement pan? The car has always been in Ca and has zero rust. Having said that, how do you register the thing as there’s no stamped vin on the pan/frame? |
Lots of reasons, all of them of some type of crash that did not involve the body. EG, hit a low curb and bent up the front suspension and frame head. Plus if one is not planning to sell a car it probably is not going to be a problem to have a blank chassi.
Lots of states USED to register vehicles by the engine number, not the chassi VIN.
https://forums.aaca.org/topic/276610-history-of-the-vin-and-vehicle-registration-started-in-1954/
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doublecabmel
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: 1957 ghia with no pan stamping. Thoughts? |
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| Replacement pan = no vin stamp = can’t register |
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JAL78 
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:42 am Post subject: Re: 1957 ghia with no pan stamping. Thoughts? |
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| doublecabmel wrote: |
| I looked at a 57 low light and wanted to match the vin # on the plate to the one on the pan below the rear seat. There is absolutely zero stamping on the pan, nor is there the indentation where the # would go. The whole thing is smooth. Please help |
Most likely the chassis on your car is from another car. There is no reason to grind off the VIN unless there is something to hide such as its a stolen chassis or the does want the buyer to know that the chassis and body do not match.
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:19 am Post subject: Re: 1957 ghia with no pan stamping. Thoughts? |
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Most likely the chassis on your car is from another car. There is no reason to grind off the VIN unless there is something to hide such as its a stolen chassis or the does want the buyer to know that the chassis and body do not match. |
Acid can be used to recover a ground off chassi number. Thing is if someone wants to change a chassi number, it is super easy to cut out that area then weld in another chassi number. Then it would be much less questionable by law enforcement.
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JAL78
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 10:01 am Post subject: Re: 1957 ghia with no pan stamping. Thoughts? |
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It’s illegal to alter or remove a VIN on a vehicle but there are some exceptions such as in collision repairs in that areas where the VIN is stamped or the body VIN plate. Some unscrupulous sellers restamp them. I believe that with the proper documents DMV can assign a new number.
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Karmann Gheezer
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: 1957 ghia with no pan stamping. Thoughts? |
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The car's vin # was removed and totally resprayed for a reason. 
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