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Tbirdusa Samba Member
Joined: November 29, 2006 Posts: 1460 Location: Kansas City, MO
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 7:55 pm Post subject: 2332 turbo crank & flywheel |
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My car body guy is working up an engine and I've been asked to help him source crank and flywheel options. I don't have all the engine specs but he's looking at a 2332 running 12 lbs. - 16 lbs. of boost.
He's been convinced by an "old school" builder that he must have a Demello crank wedge mated to the flywheel. Nitrated and such.
As stated, there are so many variables but to just guess that the engine will throw down 240 hp - 280 hp.... is wedge mating necessary?
I'm buying the set up for him as partial trade and I'm hoping to keep it under $1500, but if it take 2 grand for the crank & flywheel.... well, so be it. He will have to sign off and agree to the purchase that I make for his engine but I would like some guidance from you big HP turbo guys.
And yes, he will absolutely beat on this engine. not drag strip but for sure, tearing up a parking lot after hours. _________________ Royals 2015 World Champions
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66brm Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2010 Posts: 3676 Location: Perth Western Australia
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Definately recommended, perhaps flanged is another option _________________ Aust. RHD 66 Type 1
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baked beetle Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2006 Posts: 1162 Location: Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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This would be a nice setup and good price too.
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catbox Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2007 Posts: 866 Location: Portland, Oregon
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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My crank and a similar flywheel were in a 2332 that boosted to 14lbs in a sand car.
It is the Scat forged 84mm crank and Scat flywheel.
No wedgemate, just the dowels.
I bought it used and it checked out fine. _________________ "...these cars were preferred by the racers because the strut front suspension results in far superior handling than the regular torsion bar front end..." - Keith Seume. |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2002 Posts: 12785 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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you could have 1000hp, if the car has 185 street radials no problem.
What kind of traction is it going to have? Slicks? Sand Paddle? _________________ It's just advice, do whatever you want with it!
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Tbirdusa Samba Member
Joined: November 29, 2006 Posts: 1460 Location: Kansas City, MO
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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I'll need to pose that question Jon. I know they are at least a 60, maybe 50's. I know its tubbed and the rear fenders he has widened 3" on each side........and the tires fill it.
I think it's a bit over the top but with the large tires, the stress through out must be just tremendous.
Here is the car. The painted one just got finished and is his sons car.
and a pic of mine just cause I love my car
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:41 am Post subject: Re: 2332 turbo crank & flywheel |
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light or heavy flywheel for a boosted application in a light car? Need to tell my machine shop how much I want my flywheel lightened _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
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c77owen Samba Member
Joined: July 07, 2017 Posts: 454 Location: Kansas City, MO
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:09 am Post subject: Re: 2332 turbo crank & flywheel |
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I have a buddy running a boosted 2332 putting 224 hp to the tires with a CB regular 8 dowel crank and forged flywheel. This set up is in a street rail buggy (light) with big drag radials. I would recommend in a heavier car or any more power for sure, you would want wedgemated or flanged. Those tires pictured are big, just not sure how well they will actually hook up which will be the deciding factor |
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slalombuggy Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 9147 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:32 am Post subject: Re: 2332 turbo crank & flywheel |
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I have a 12lb on my race engine. It really doesnt matter once the turbo kicks in the engine will spin up up quickly anyways. 4500-7000 is pretty much instantaneous. |
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Dauz Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2010 Posts: 1790
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:43 am Post subject: Re: 2332 turbo crank & flywheel |
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Load does matter. But a lightened flywheel isn't going to make or break it. Ever try to rev a turbo motor with a BIG turbo in neutral and see how much boost it makes? I have.. almost none. Put it in drive and the more 'load' you have the earlier it'll build boost. Lighten every friccin thing in the rotating assembly and you'll need to rev pretty high to take advantage of a larger turbocharger. Things have to jive, weight, gear ratio, tire size, displacement, size of turbo, target HP @ what rpm. You don't just guess and then toss things together and hope for the best. Nor do you rely on hearsay from internet. Find credible resources and build from there. |
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:31 am Post subject: Re: 2332 turbo crank & flywheel |
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thanks yall. Yeah im building kind of an odd ball turbo build. 78.4mm crank, 86mm chysler pistons, 5.5 inch rods, stock cam, ported dp heads, 37mm throttle bodies with water injection, etc. Kinda budget kinda not. will be fun. aiming for 160-170 whp at a bar+ of boost at 5kish rpm.
Since, im having my flywheel resurfaced and balanced anyhow, i may as well just have them lighten it. Should help me get off the line a tad better. _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
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Dauz Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2010 Posts: 1790
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: 2332 turbo crank & flywheel |
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Chickensoup wrote: |
Should help me get off the line a tad better. |
Lightening your flywheel will only affect how fast your motor revs up/down. No affect on "getting off the line better."
I see alot of people do things just because they can. But don't always know if they should or shouldn't
I run full weight flywheels in my turbo motors. The latest has a custom Kennedy flange set up for both kep double disc and rev6 |
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Chip Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2008 Posts: 969 Location: Utah
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:26 am Post subject: Re: 2332 turbo crank & flywheel |
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Chickensoup wrote: |
Should help me get off the line a tad better. |
Inertia will help get you off the line better, a heavy flywheel will keep the engine spinning longer than a light one, however, with a turbo engine, there is so much power on tap that I don't know that a heavy fw is truly going to make or break your launch. I have a lightened flywheel on my turbo engine, but when I was building it, the only new options out there that were decent were light, and honestly I didn't care one way or the other. If I was to build one today, I'd either use a factory flywheel at full weight, or the CB adjustable unit with the weights in place. |
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buguy Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 4915 Location: Port Orange, FL
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:54 am Post subject: Re: 2332 turbo crank & flywheel |
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The only thing i noticed when going to a lightened flywheel was you had to feather the gas a bit more to ease off the line. |
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madmike Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 5292 Location: Atlanta,Michigan
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: 2332 turbo crank & flywheel |
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slalombuggy wrote: |
I have a 12lb on my race engine. It really doesnt matter once the turbo kicks in the engine will spin up up quickly anyways. 4500-7000 is pretty much instantaneous. |
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