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ALEX-P76
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 Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:41 am Post subject: Fitting wide Fuchs - Is it possible? |
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I've got 2 pairs of really nice Fuchs left over from my old 911 and wanted to fit a pair on the back of my '66 bus when it gets IRS'd, but they are a wide wheel.
Does anyone know if it's possible or been done without 'surgery'? I had a bit of a search on here and found narrower wheels fitted but didn't see these.
My wheels are:
9 x 16 ET15 and/or 8 X 16 ET23.3
Ideally one pair would go on the rear and I'd probably have to get a new pair of 6 or 7 x 16 for the front.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Fitting wide Fuchs - Is it possible? |
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Maybe when you go IRS you could either get a narrowed kit or build it yourself ? No body mods then.
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NUTSFORBUSES
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: Fitting wide Fuchs - Is it possible? |
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No way. My 64 is IRS and I have 5.5" wide 15's with 255 tires.
1/2" Clearance-barely. I modded the smoothies with an inner / deeper off-set to get bigger tires underneath the bus, not outside.
Even IF you shortened the IRS, you could not fit 9's, OR !
cut the body round and have them stick-out like HillBilly Formula 1 ! Baddass !
I can't imagine pulling a 9" rim with matching tires in a bus, that's twice as wide as the stock wheel.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Fitting wide Fuchs - Is it possible? |
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| NUTSFORBUSES wrote: |
No way. My 64 is IRS and I have 5.5" wide 15's with 255 tires.
1/2" Clearance-barely. I modded the smoothies with an inner / deeper off-set to get bigger tires underneath the bus, not outside.
Even IF you shortened the IRS, you could not fit 9's, OR !
cut the body round and have them stick-out like HillBilly Formula 1 ! Baddass !
I can't imagine pulling a 9" rim with matching tires in a bus, that's twice as wide as the stock wheel. |
maybe putting the 8 inch fronts on the back? i want to say i have seen pictures of 8s on a lowered straight axle bus with narrowed torsions.
from what i can see you can go as narrow as a 225 on an 8 inch rim.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Fitting wide Fuchs - Is it possible? |
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I’ll do some mag digging. There was a mouse gray and white bus with huge rear Fuchs. I was an older printing of hot VW I believe
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67dubcab
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: Fitting wide Fuchs - Is it possible? |
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The issue is the offset needs to be late Porsche wheels, 50+ e.t.
I did an early version of my build using Wagonswest I.R.S. kit and 944 steel arms. I think the widest wheel tire combo I got to fit without any welding or cutting was a e.t. 55 8" with a 225 tire.
The early 944 aluminum arms have the same overall width and the bonus is the 4 piston Brembos. also stock 944 axles bolt up when you swap out the vw transaxle with Trekker output flanges.
Check out my build in readers rides "Porsche powered mid engine double cab"
Also the lowered bus wheel and tire spec thread has lots of info.
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ALEX-P76
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:13 am Post subject: Re: Fitting wide Fuchs - Is it possible? |
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| mandraks wrote: |
| NUTSFORBUSES wrote: |
No way. My 64 is IRS and I have 5.5" wide 15's with 255 tires.
1/2" Clearance-barely. I modded the smoothies with an inner / deeper off-set to get bigger tires underneath the bus, not outside.
Even IF you shortened the IRS, you could not fit 9's, OR !
cut the body round and have them stick-out like HillBilly Formula 1 ! Baddass !
I can't imagine pulling a 9" rim with matching tires in a bus, that's twice as wide as the stock wheel. |
maybe putting the 8 inch fronts on the back? i want to say i have seen pictures of 8s on a lowered straight axle bus with narrowed torsions.
from what i can see you can go as narrow as a 225 on an 8 inch rim. |
Yes, I think the 9's may be too big for the back so possibly try the 8's and yes, you certainly can fit a 225 tyre |
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ALEX-P76
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:17 am Post subject: Re: Fitting wide Fuchs - Is it possible? |
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| 67dubcab wrote: |
The issue is the offset needs to be late Porsche wheels, 50+ e.t.
I did an early version of my build using Wagonswest I.R.S. kit and 944 steel arms. I think the widest wheel tire combo I got to fit without any welding or cutting was a e.t. 55 8" with a 225 tire.
The early 944 aluminum arms have the same overall width and the bonus is the 4 piston Brembos. also stock 944 axles bolt up when you swap out the vw transaxle with Trekker output flanges.
Check out my build in readers rides "Porsche powered mid engine double cab"
Also the lowered bus wheel and tire spec thread has lots of info.
Stephen |
Yes, exactly this. I'm trying to figure out what I can do with 944 rear arms as I also have a set of 964 front and rear Brembo calipers that would be nice to fit.
I'll grab a beer this evening and read through your thread thanks. The wheel & tyre thread is good but it's a bit of a monster right!! |
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ALEX-P76
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:21 am Post subject: Re: Fitting wide Fuchs - Is it possible? |
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| type4split wrote: |
| I’ll do some mag digging. There was a mouse gray and white bus with huge rear Fuchs. I was an older printing of hot VW I believe |
Thanks, I have come across a couple of 8 inch Fuchs threads but not 9 so maybe it's not possible. The problem with a lot of Porsche wheels is the large offset gives no dish and I like a dish!!
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=577973&highlight=inch+fuchs |
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ALEX-P76
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:46 am Post subject: Re: Fitting wide Fuchs - Is it possible? |
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| panel wrote: |
| Maybe when you go IRS you could either get a narrowed kit or build it yourself ? No body mods then. |
That's what I want. Suspension mods fine but I'm not looking to mod the body.
I'm also looking to go down the EJ20/EJ25 route that you look to have taken. Everybody over here says go N/A though. I'm trying to figure out how reckless to be!! I'll have have a read of your thread - Is there details of the fuel tank as I believe that needs either relocating or raising or modding? |
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ALEX-P76
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2022 4:49 am Post subject: Re: Fitting wide Fuchs - Is it possible? |
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Quick progress update - I've now refreshed my front suspension, IRS'd the rear and fitted Wilwood disk kit up front and Golf disk kit at the rear.
I was lazy and got the IRS kit at the rear fitted for me as I didn't fancy getting it wrong and in reality it probably falls into the 'beyond my skillset' category of jobs!
This means I now get to mess around fitting wheels. What I have ended up with is:
A pair of 7x16" Fuchs with ET23.3, backspace of 112 and 205/55/16 tyres (black centres)
A pair of 8x16" Fuchs with ET23.3, backspace of 120 and 225/50/16 tyres
A pair of 9x16" Fuchs with ET15.0, backspace of 130 and 245/45/16 tyres
All of the wheels fit on the front no problem. At the rear:
The 9's are not going to happen. Full stop! The backspace clashes with the spring plates and the outside face/tyre won't clear the arch.
The 7's fit fine. The backspace allows minimal clearance to the spring plates and there is clearance to the arch.
The backspace of the 8's clashed with the spring plate so I fitted two M16 washers to space it out replicating wheel spacers. The washers measured 5.75mm thick and this gave enough just clearance to the spring plates. I think that 5mm spacers will get the wheels as far inboard as they will go.
The 225 tyre was level with the outside of the arch and the arch measured approximately 15mm so even if I dropped down to 205 tyres on the 8's I still think I am a few mm away from getting the 8's to fit.
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