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Cschenkel Samba Member
Joined: February 20, 2013 Posts: 114 Location: San Bruno, CA
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:22 am Post subject: "Magnificent Marge"-1968 Squareback |
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Back in November I came across a one owner 1968 Squareback that my brother towed to an auction yard. I went and looked at the car which was not running at the time covered in dirt and grime from sitting for 10 years. The car is quite complete, the only thing missing was the passenger side front fender trim. I spoke with the auction house owner and he hadnt planned on putting it up for auction due to it being a donation car and he didnt want to fix it up, needless to say I worked up a deal with him and purchased the car.
After getting it home I put a new battery in, all new fuel hose, and a working fuel pump just in time for a little outing to get a christmas tree.
Does'nt she clean up nicely!? I'm super excited for this car. It seems to be almost all original as far as I can tell although there are no service records with the car but there was 5 boxes of parts. Speedometer read 53,XXX when I bought the car.
here's both my fasty and my square siting next to each other
Lucy (the fasty) is on hold for now as I don't have a place to do the body work on it and haven't tracked down the panels for repair |
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OhHerrooo Samba Member
Joined: September 12, 2010 Posts: 1291 Location: Costa Mesa, CA
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Cschenkel Samba Member
Joined: February 20, 2013 Posts: 114 Location: San Bruno, CA
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:35 am Post subject: Re: "Magnificent Marge"-1968 Squareback |
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OhHerrooo wrote: |
Wow, you scored. Any interior pics? Photos of the engine? Looking forward to seeing more. |
None yet more to come! been having too much fun on the weekends cruising around the neighborhood |
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Erik G Samba Member
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EasternNotch Samba Member
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Cschenkel Samba Member
Joined: February 20, 2013 Posts: 114 Location: San Bruno, CA
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: "Magnificent Marge"-1968 Squareback |
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So I haven't gotten away from VW's, recently made trip down to LA in Marge for the La Invitational car and bicycle show hosted by The Cub House/Team Dream Team
The car ran pretty great on the way down got about 30mpg and only a coupe hills were a bit hard to get up. On the way back on the other hand it was troublesome with some crazy headwinds the car would only go about 50-55mph. Made it home in one piece which is good haha
This has sparked me to sell my Subaru and use the funds to put together a 1776 dual carb motor for Marge. Working with ken over at Jensen in Belmont at the moment
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vwfye Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: "Magnificent Marge"-1968 Squareback |
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_________________ 64 No'back Speedster "Pearl"
1980s Sand Dragster "The Plunger"
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andybla Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:26 am Post subject: Re: "Magnificent Marge"-1968 Squareback |
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beautiful |
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NUG637 Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2012 Posts: 84 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: "Magnificent Marge"-1968 Squareback |
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Wow, what a find! That sure is tidy…
I plan to ran the 1600 in our type 3 until something gives and probably go down the 1776 or 1904 route as well. |
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Cschenkel Samba Member
Joined: February 20, 2013 Posts: 114 Location: San Bruno, CA
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: "Magnificent Marge"-1968 Squareback |
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My fasty had a rebuilt 1600 with stock and it did just fine up most hills but man I really just want a bit more to not be slugging it up the steep stuff.
The square has had the same motor since I got it. Figured it’s time for a refresh and a bit more power. Had the old case from the fasty to start with so the square stays running till I can put in the 1776 |
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joker Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:11 am Post subject: Re: "Magnificent Marge"-1968 Squareback |
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nice _________________ The Joker
1958 Beach Buggy
1966 Notchback
1966 Sunroof N Model notchback
1967 Kustom Fastback
1967 beetle bug
1968 Squareback
1971 Karmann Ghia convertible
1972 Dopplekabine 'doka'
1972 Microbus 'the Pretender'
1974 Westy tintop 'Joker's bus'
http://www.vwbusimports.co.uk |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22425 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: "Magnificent Marge"-1968 Squareback |
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Cschenkel wrote: |
So I haven't gotten away from VW's, recently made trip down to LA in Marge for the La Invitational car and bicycle show hosted by The Cub House/Team Dream Team
The car ran pretty great on the way down got about 30mpg and only a coupe hills were a bit hard to get up. On the way back on the other hand it was troublesome with some crazy headwinds the car would only go about 50-55mph. Made it home in one piece which is good haha
This has sparked me to sell my Subaru and use the funds to put together a 1776 dual carb motor for Marge. Working with ken over at Jensen in Belmont at the moment
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Good to see you out and about enjoying her. That what these cars were designed to do...be driven. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Cschenkel Samba Member
Joined: February 20, 2013 Posts: 114 Location: San Bruno, CA
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:19 am Post subject: Re: "Magnificent Marge"-1968 Squareback |
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Finally getting around to some good progress on the engine swap. I have the old one out and everything cleaned up in the engine bay to a point. Recently Got my engine tins back from Precision Powder in belmont. Working on getting the new block set up with all the bits and bobs.
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Cschenkel Samba Member
Joined: February 20, 2013 Posts: 114 Location: San Bruno, CA
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:38 am Post subject: Re: "Magnificent Marge"-1968 Squareback |
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With the 1776 I plan to run dual 40 idf weber's, to supply fuel to these I purchased the Cb electric fuel pump as the car was previously FI and the mount up front should be able to house the new pump with minor modifications.
A question I have though, can I run the new fuel pump of the pre existing wiring for the FI fuel pump/will the current fuel pump relay operate the new fuel pump? If the fuel pump relay wont work I plan to use the revolution controller I've seen some use previously
https://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Electronics-Electric-Controller-Primes/dp/B00BNZ05JM
Another question I have regarding the full flow oil system I had ken plumb the inlet/outlet for. Is there a way to not have to modify the fan shroud to not hit the oil inlet? In other words a "less bulky" inlet? I was thinking something like this below
https://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/3978.htm?CartID=1
Lastly I plan on just running an external oil filter at the moment. I've seen some for beetles that mount off the bumper bracket. This seems the least invasive vs drilling holes in the engine bay/fresh air intake tunnels. Although the beetle mounts seem like they would not work for the Type 3's orientation would be a bit off. I fully except having to likely make a mounting bracket for this
Aside from the bumper mount is there a better place to mount the oil filter on the type 3's? maybe off the engine some how? |
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W1K1 Samba Member
Joined: March 04, 2004 Posts: 4921 Location: Southern AB
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: "Magnificent Marge"-1968 Squareback |
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easiest thing is to get a piece of bar and drill holes for mounting in the bumper bolt holes. you can see mine mounted in the bottom left.
I since changed that to a L shaped bracket, so I wouldn't have to use 90's off the filter.
the wix 51068, or Mobil M1-204 short filters keep the filter from hanging way down there
_________________ http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/jim_martin_engine_build.php
1973 super
1965 squareback 1500E
1971 bay window westy- subi swap |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22425 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: "Magnificent Marge"-1968 Squareback |
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Cschenkel wrote: |
With the 1776 I plan to run dual 40 idf weber's, to supply fuel to these I purchased the Cb electric fuel pump as the car was previously FI and the mount up front should be able to house the new pump with minor modifications.
A question I have though, can I run the new fuel pump of the pre existing wiring for the FI fuel pump/will the current fuel pump relay operate the new fuel pump? If the fuel pump relay wont work I plan to use the revolution controller I've seen some use previously |
Personally I'd redirect some of the original FI wires and run them to the pump from the fuse box (key on circuit). I'd add an impact switch to the wiring as well. You could even install a toggle switch to turn off the pump (anti-theft) if you wanted. Keep in mind that you're swapping out a high pressure fuel pump for a low pressure one (for carbs). I hope this helps. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Cschenkel Samba Member
Joined: February 20, 2013 Posts: 114 Location: San Bruno, CA
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: "Magnificent Marge"-1968 Squareback |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
Cschenkel wrote: |
With the 1776 I plan to run dual 40 idf weber's, to supply fuel to these I purchased the Cb electric fuel pump as the car was previously FI and the mount up front should be able to house the new pump with minor modifications.
A question I have though, can I run the new fuel pump of the pre existing wiring for the FI fuel pump/will the current fuel pump relay operate the new fuel pump? If the fuel pump relay wont work I plan to use the revolution controller I've seen some use previously |
Personally I'd redirect some of the original FI wires and run them to the pump from the fuse box (key on circuit). I'd add an impact switch to the wiring as well. You could even install a toggle switch to turn off the pump (anti-theft) if you wanted. Keep in mind that you're swapping out a high pressure fuel pump for a low pressure one (for carbs). I hope this helps. |
Bob I’m assuming this setup would include keeping the brain + a partial harness for the FI in the car and just run new wires from the fuel pump relay under the dash to the new pump? |
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Cschenkel Samba Member
Joined: February 20, 2013 Posts: 114 Location: San Bruno, CA
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: "Magnificent Marge"-1968 Squareback |
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Got some more progress on the square going. Mainly ordering parts and researching how/what to do.
Ordered the revolution fuel pump safety relay. seems like the simplest route to go with
As for the full flow system I was able to gain some room by rotating the inlet 90 so it points up. this should clear the fan shroud nicely. For the oil pump cover I decided to go for machining it a bit for clearance. I have some an fittings and hose on their way.
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Leaning towards mounting the oil filter off the exhaust studs and having it extend just out past the engine tin. I've seen the fast fab mount that I could make a plate to extend to where I need to but I'm also thinking of just making a mount out of one piece so there are less nuts and bolts and less things to go wrong.
I've also seen an engine hanger hacked up to mount the oil filter off of. seems a bit overkill but also pretty slick not having it mount off the exhaust or bumper/using existing stock mounting holes |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: "Magnificent Marge"-1968 Squareback |
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It looks like your engine case is a later model (has the hanger bosses cast into the case), which would allow you to cut an engine hanger down and allow you to mount an oil filter bracket of it. John J. did this on his 66 Square, and it means that when pulling the engine, the filter and lines stay with the engine (pretty slick). By not mounting the "oil filter adapter bracket" off the exhaust studs, you help keep the oil filter cooler, as the exhaust heat is kept out of the system. Just something to think about. I think John split a hanger in half for his set up, but it's been a while since I saw his engine in person. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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