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Crashly Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2009 Posts: 30 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:46 pm Post subject: Suggested DP Heads for a 1600 |
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Hello everybody I have been researching DP heads for my 74 Thing for a couple of months. One of my intake valves is allowing air to come back into the intake so it either has a crack or a bad seat. My motor is pretty much stock with a 32/36 and a aftermarket exhaust. I have a set of dual solex carbs that I may install later and I may build the motor up a little larger in the future (2110). For the time being can anybody recommend any affordable DP heads. I have seen the offerings from EMPI, MOFCO and AA in the 500-600 range. Can anybody share some their thoughts or suggestions for a set of DP heads that can be opened up at a later date? |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76902 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: Suggested DP Heads for a 1600 |
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So you want a head that works for a stock 1600 and a 2110 in the future?
No such thing. _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3460 Location: Paradise, Ca
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Suggested DP Heads for a 1600 |
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The "opening up" of existing castings will cost more then buying a 2nd set already done.
Buy some AA basic heads for your stock engine, then get some CB heads when you wanna go fast. |
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Crashly Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2009 Posts: 30 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: Suggested DP Heads for a 1600 |
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Copy that. |
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ALB Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2008 Posts: 3483 Location: beautiful suburban Wet Coast of Canada
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 5:33 am Post subject: Re: Suggested DP Heads for a 1600 |
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What works properly and is most efficient (best power and mileage) on a 1600 ain't gonna cut it on a higher revving 2 liter+ engine. The guys above are giving you the best advice- buy some stock replacement heads for your 1600, and when the time comes look at ported, big valve heads for the size and rpm range of what you're building. You'll have the added benefit of the stocker under the bench as a back up if something happens to your 'beast'.
Hope this helps. Al _________________ On a lifelong mission to prove (much to my wife's dismay) that Immaturity is Forever!! |
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Brian_e Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2009 Posts: 3284 Location: Rapid City, SD
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:09 am Post subject: Re: Suggested DP Heads for a 1600 |
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Pull your stock heads off and see what the problem is. They might just need to have the seats re-cut and the exhaust valves replaced.
More realistically, they are also cracked from the plug hole to the seat, just like 85% of used OE dual port heads.
If they are not cracked, clean up the valve bowls, replace the guides, get the seats cut, and replace the exhaust valves, and they will be good to go. This will be good engine building practice for when you decided to build a bigger engine.
If they are cracked, buy some new 35x32 aa500 heads. Clean up the valve bowls, and have the seats cut. This will get you a ways ahead power wise, and they are very durable. Bummer part is they are out of stock most everywhere.
Brian _________________ www.type-emotorsports.com |
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nsracing Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 9462 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 8:24 am Post subject: Re: Suggested DP Heads for a 1600 |
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I got a set of NEW 40x35.5 heads that got abandoned - owed money on them from the work.
Ported/polished, 3-angles, bored 90.5mm, cut for dual springs S/S valves, Berg dual springs/retainers. These heads be good for 2110cc -
I will let them go cheap - PM me |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76902 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 8:28 am Post subject: Re: Suggested DP Heads for a 1600 |
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PM (him/her/they) _________________ Glenn
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buckswilde Samba Member
Joined: June 26, 2010 Posts: 131 Location: Lexington, KY
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Suggested DP Heads for a 1600 |
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Glenn wrote: |
PM (him/her/they) |
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nsracing Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 9462 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Suggested DP Heads for a 1600 |
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buckswilde wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
PM (him/her/they) |
??? |
Glenn wants 'all inclusive and tolerant -like' = gender neutered. |
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Dauz Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Suggested DP Heads for a 1600 |
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I swear by those chinese heads at carcraft. They're on my 1776 which runs like a top. And everyone I've turned onto them have had excellent results. |
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Suggested DP Heads for a 1600 |
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IDK why folks dont like rebuilding german heads.
Inspect for cracks and warping
flycut
replace guides
cut seats
assemble _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
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Brian_e Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2009 Posts: 3284 Location: Rapid City, SD
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Suggested DP Heads for a 1600 |
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Chickensoup wrote: |
IDK why folks dont like rebuilding german heads.
Inspect for cracks and warping
flycut
replace guides
cut seats
assemble |
I have rebuilt a pile of german heads. Then the pile started to dry up because 85% of used DP heads are cracked, blown out, or have some other hidden issue. I still have about 10-15 good german DP heads in my pile, and I will go for a new aa500 head every time.
Larger, better shape combustion chambers, fresh non-corroded/stressed/broken studs, a million fewer heat cycles, no shitty previous welding, no shitty previous rebuilds, etc..etc......
I prefer real german parts most of the time EXCEPT when it comes to heads. The new aa500 stock valve size heads are WAY ahead of a tired old german head.
Brian _________________ www.type-emotorsports.com |
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Lingwendil Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 3988 Location: Antioch, California, a block from the hood
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Brian_e Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: Suggested DP Heads for a 1600 |
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Lingwendil wrote: |
Are the new single port heads any good? I have a pair of single ports that are usable but rough. One has an extractor broken off in one of the exhaust studs and I'm not sure if it's worth the tears trying to deal with. |
Not sure. Never tried them. I still have quite a few good SP heads. They hold up WAY better then the DP heads.
No its not worth the tears. Throw it to the bottom of the core pile and get another set of heads off the next H case 1500 that comes along.
Brian _________________ www.type-emotorsports.com |
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Chickensoup Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Suggested DP Heads for a 1600 |
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Brian_e wrote: |
Chickensoup wrote: |
IDK why folks dont like rebuilding german heads.
Inspect for cracks and warping
flycut
replace guides
cut seats
assemble |
I have rebuilt a pile of german heads. Then the pile started to dry up because 85% of used DP heads are cracked, blown out, or have some other hidden issue. I still have about 10-15 good german DP heads in my pile, and I will go for a new aa500 head every time.
Larger, better shape combustion chambers, fresh non-corroded/stressed/broken studs, a million fewer heat cycles, no shitty previous welding, no shitty previous rebuilds, etc..etc......
I prefer real german parts most of the time EXCEPT when it comes to heads. The new aa500 stock valve size heads are WAY ahead of a tired old german head.
Brian |
Fair enough. I must have gotten lucky lol. I have about a dozen heads on a shelf. None of them have cracks. Creep is a real thing tho. Especially on the dp heads w/step _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" |
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Chickensoup Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: Suggested DP Heads for a 1600 |
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Lingwendil wrote: |
Are the new single port heads any good? I have a pair of single ports that are usable but rough. One has an extractor broken off in one of the exhaust studs and I'm not sure if it's worth the tears trying to deal with. |
Kinda wanna know as well. Gotta 1600 short block ready to go. Just needs heads(stole the dp ones for another project) _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" |
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nsracing Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:00 am Post subject: Re: Suggested DP Heads for a 1600 |
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If they are original 040-casting heads, I will usually keep them for later use. To me - they are big-valves waiting to come out.
For race heads - I love using the 040 castings. I machine the seats and do other things w/ them. Now that I got my TIG back - will try to do more work on them.
Upgrading to a bigger milling machine this year - I think I will stop doing longblocks for now and just do topend like before.
I am really liking the Ford S/S steel exhaust studs and nuts - will be using them on the VW heads. |
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