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simd0ggie Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2008 Posts: 418 Location: Chincoteague, VA
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:16 am Post subject: Just Installed NAPA rear shocks |
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The ends seem a bit narrower than the Boge that I removed. Seems like I am squeezing the bracket together to get them tight. I tried not tightening them too much and bending the brackets together, but they knock when I drive. Anyone else deal with this? I thought I read a post a while back, but now cannot find it... _________________ -Matt
'85 Westfalia w/EJ25, '14 Tiguan R-Line 4 Motion
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VanWilder Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2009 Posts: 1349 Location: PDX-Weird Town, USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Interesting. I just replaced all of my shocks with some Gabriel Ultras. Inexpensive and very happy with them.
Mine fit nice and snugg in those bolt brackets. I assume with no photos that you are referring to the space inside the brackets. You have lots of play? I would think that the spacing is pretty standard for all shocks.
I think you have the wrong shocks on there. _________________ VW
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VanWilder has given back to me more then I could ever put into it September 22, 2010
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Ahwahnee Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 9810 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:33 am Post subject: |
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Not ideal, but perhaps you could introduce a washer or two between the shock fitting and the baracket (i.e. inside the the bracket) to take up the excess and allow full tightening. |
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riceye Samba Member
Joined: March 09, 2006 Posts: 1661 Location: Caledonia, WI
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:11 am Post subject: |
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If the clearance is no more than 1/8" or so, tighten them down... Tight! The metal sleeves inside of the rubber cushions of the shocks should be held tightly within the mounts on the frame of the vehicle. _________________ '87 Westy Weekender - daily driver on salt-free roads
There's gonna be some changes made.
“I find that things usually go well right up until the moment they don't.” - Ahwahnee
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simd0ggie Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2008 Posts: 418 Location: Chincoteague, VA
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, so I cranked them down tight, all seems fine... But I'm looking at Bentley page 42.3, showing how to press in/out the shock absorber bushings. Was I supposed to press them into the new shocks? The new shocks seemed to already have the right hole in the end, now I'm feeling a bit retarded. _________________ -Matt
'85 Westfalia w/EJ25, '14 Tiguan R-Line 4 Motion
"There are two possible outcomes: if the result confirms the hypothesis, then you've made a measurement. If the result is contrary to the hypothesis, then you've made a discovery.” |
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seanjenn Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2009 Posts: 722 Location: TAOS
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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I got these shocks on my van as well. There shouldn't be too much play, maybe a little, which is not a big deal. Don't worry about swapping bushings either, just tighten them down real good.
The nuts on those lower bolts like to back off, so a little blue locktite works wonders. Better yet, replace the old nuts with the nylock variety. _________________ 1987 GL Sunroof
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simd0ggie Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, great. I'm just feeling stupid tonight... _________________ -Matt
'85 Westfalia w/EJ25, '14 Tiguan R-Line 4 Motion
"There are two possible outcomes: if the result confirms the hypothesis, then you've made a measurement. If the result is contrary to the hypothesis, then you've made a discovery.” |
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VanWilder Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:36 am Post subject: |
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simd0ggie wrote: |
Okay, great. I'm just feeling stupid tonight... |
Great our work here is done!
Just kidding.. How are the shocks now? _________________ VW
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VanWilder has given back to me more then I could ever put into it September 22, 2010
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simd0ggie Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2008 Posts: 418 Location: Chincoteague, VA
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Their great. Definitely an improvement, especially over the bridge in windy conditions today. It's funny, all the cars I've had, and this is the first time I ever ~changed~ the shocks! I've removed and reinstalled them, but never switched to a different brand, and I don't like little dimensional differences very much... Thanks _________________ -Matt
'85 Westfalia w/EJ25, '14 Tiguan R-Line 4 Motion
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alnvilma Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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I had the knocking on rear shocks with new Monroes. Tightened them up real tight and end of the noise. Talking shocks; the Monroe shocks are relatively cheap but too firm. Just ok for the heavier rear end but just beat the tar out of the front end till I swapped them out for non-gas pressurized Mahle (sp).
Now the ride is so much better! |
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brickster Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2004 Posts: 512 Location: CO, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:16 am Post subject: Re: Just Installed NAPA rear shocks |
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Bringing this thread back from the dead because...
PO installed these NAPA shocks (yes, they're completely shot!), and to accommodate the narrower sleeves the 'technician' cranked down the bolts. This has bent the body attachments inward. My new shocks (Bilstein XHDs), which are the stock width, are now too wide to fit.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to bend the body mounts outward a few mm? I've tried using a pry bar, but the attachment point steel is thick gauge and in an awkward location to get much leverage or apply a BFH.
I thought about creating a leverage device with a bolt and some nuts and plates where I could turn the nuts to force the plates outward. I'm not sure exactly how to implement that and I'm open to any other ideas. |
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mikemtnbike Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2015 Posts: 2796 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:21 am Post subject: Re: Just Installed NAPA rear shocks |
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hammer in a wedge is my first thought. Like literally a metal wood splitting wedge, sideways. Just a first thought. May be a dumb one. _________________ 1991 Vanagon GL 2.1 AT Westfauxlia. "Frankie" Totaled https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=764510&highlight=carnage
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DanHoug Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 4795 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:27 am Post subject: Re: Just Installed NAPA rear shocks |
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can you narrow down the jaws on a large cresent wrench and put it over the ears to bend with? a cresent is always my go-to metal flange straightener! _________________ -dan
60% of what you find on the internet is wrong, including this post.
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brickster Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2004 Posts: 512 Location: CO, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:37 am Post subject: Re: Just Installed NAPA rear shocks |
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mikemtnbike wrote: |
hammer in a wedge is my first thought. Like literally a metal wood splitting wedge, sideways. Just a first thought. May be a dumb one. |
I like the physics of your idea, but the upper mount is in an awkward position for wielding the BFH. |
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brickster Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2004 Posts: 512 Location: CO, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:38 am Post subject: Re: Just Installed NAPA rear shocks |
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DanHoug wrote: |
can you narrow down the jaws on a large cresent wrench and put it over the ears to bend with? a cresent is always my go-to metal flange straightener! |
I like this idea, although I've broken a couple of crescents before at the jaws when I applied too much force. I do have a set of HF crescents, so it wouldn't be a huge loss if I broke them. Thank you. |
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17154 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Just Installed NAPA rear shocks |
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It would be easy to fabricate a tool using a large bolt, a nut and a couple small plates. One plate drilled for the bolt and nut. The other plate to “press” of of. This will give you control over the task. Would not use the shock bolts for this. Don’t want to damage the threads. _________________ ☮️ |
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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6360 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Just Installed NAPA rear shocks |
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MarkWard wrote: |
It would be easy to fabricate a tool using a large bolt, a nut and a couple small plates. One plate drilled for the bolt and nut. The other plate to “press” of of. This will give you control over the task. Would not use the shock bolts for this. Don’t want to damage the threads. |
I was gonna suggest to put a bolt and 2 nuts inside the gap to spread the plates. _________________ Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget |
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brickster Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2004 Posts: 512 Location: CO, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Just Installed NAPA rear shocks |
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MarkWard wrote: |
It would be easy to fabricate a tool using a large bolt, a nut and a couple small plates. One plate drilled for the bolt and nut. The other plate to “press” of of. This will give you control over the task. Would not use the shock bolts for this. Don’t want to damage the threads. |
Thanks, Mark. I'm still trying to picture the construction of the proposed solution/tool. The upper mount has a captive nut outside of the inner plate.
Looking from the rear:
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(where 0=captive nut and |=mount plates)
Would this work?
Insert a sacrificial bolt into the outer plate's hole.
Thread a sacrificial nut onto the bolt.
Thread the sacrificial bolt into the captive nut.
Thread the sacrificial nut against the outer plate to apply the leverage.
Should I be concerned about galling the captive nut threads? |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9937 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Just Installed NAPA rear shocks |
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I have done it that way a few times.
Threaded rod with 2 nuts and a washer.
Slip a putty knife or similar metal up in between your device and the threaded hole so nothing else contacts the hole threads while you expand.
Mark
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I thought about creating a leverage device with a bolt and some nuts and plates where I could turn the nuts to force the plates outward. I'm not sure exactly how to implement that and I'm open to any other ideas. |
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brickster Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Just Installed NAPA rear shocks |
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The crescent wrench did the trick.
I’m having a difficult time getting the shock sleeve aligned to the upper body bolt holes on the last shock. Going to step away and come back to it. |
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